Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Apr 2018 01:51 UTC
ReactOS

ReactOS 0.4.8 has been released, and its biggest new feature is experimental support for NT6+ applications.

With software specifically leaving NT5 behind, ReactOS is expanding its target to support NT6+ (Vista, Windows 8, Windows 10) software. Colin, Giannis and Mark are creating the needed logic in NTDLL and LDR for this purpose. Giannis has finished the side-by-side support and the implicit activation context, Colin has changed Kernel32 to accept software made for NT6+, and Mark keeps working on the shim compatibility layer. Although in a really greenish and experimental state, the new additions in 0.4.8 should start helping several software pieces created for Vista and upwards to start working in ReactOS. Microsoft coined the term backwards compatibility, ReactOS the forward compatibility one.

There's tons of other improvements, as well.

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A much needed step
by cb88 on Mon 16th Apr 2018 02:27 UTC
cb88
Member since:
2009-04-23

Unfortunately their rate of progress has been pretty slow, to the point the most applications no longer support XP or 2003.

But having an OS that is effectively much like NT4-5 in familiarity while being able to run NT6 applications will be nice.

I think the next big things they'll need to implement are SMP and better support for graphics drivers. The memory subsystem still isn't quite as robust as real XP either (XP can page file all day long and doesn't leak memory like a sieve like ReactOS during downloads etc...).

I was intending to test out some commercial software I use (Wonderware Indusoft) and did get it downloaded but it took a few tries finally I figured out I could close out firefox and it would pause my download every 300MB or so.... till I hit 1.1GB also 7zip would crash halfway through extracting because of OOM so I just extracted half the files at a time. In the end it didn't work as the securekey dongle driver wouldn't install.

Edited 2018-04-16 02:29 UTC

Reply Score: 6

RE: A much needed step
by Darkmage on Mon 16th Apr 2018 03:11 UTC in reply to "A much needed step"
Darkmage Member since:
2006-10-20

Eh, as long as it can run apps wine can't in a virtual machine ReactOS will remain highly useful for a lot of people. Now if they can get an RDP server/client, and Samba 4/DHCP/DNS server ports completed this thing could be a useful lightweight DC/Terminal server/jump box.

Edited 2018-04-16 03:11 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: A much needed step
by Kochise on Mon 16th Apr 2018 05:02 UTC in reply to "RE: A much needed step"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

How much cost a Windows XP license from a refurbished PC ? 0, nada, nothing. How much for Windows 7 or even 10 from Lizengo ? I leave it to you finding by yourself, "you'll be amazed by what you'll discover".

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: A much needed step
by bugjacobs on Mon 16th Apr 2018 17:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A much needed step"
bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

ReactOS and Wine is FOSS !
That means PURE. Not proprietary garbage like (unpatched) XP or Vista ..

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: A much needed step
by darknexus on Mon 16th Apr 2018 18:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A much needed step"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

And ifyou're dumb enough to put an XP machine on the internet, you deserve to lose any IT job you may have. If you actually advise someone who doesn't know tech to do this, shame the hell on you!

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RE[4]: A much needed step
by Kochise on Mon 16th Apr 2018 19:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: A much needed step"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

The OP wasn't going on the internet. You don't necessarily stumble upon a malware if you follow some easy rules. Windows Defender still works on XP and prevent already a large broad of attacks. I do have a 2000/XP machine and use it to go on the internet, mostly to check some compatibilities, never had a problem, just watch your steps.

Like vaccines, it doesn't prevent you from being cautious. Common sense would I say.

Reply Score: 4

RE[5]: A much needed step
by chowyunpat on Tue 17th Apr 2018 00:06 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: A much needed step"
chowyunpat Member since:
2006-07-05

Kochise: I see you haven't changed much, still criticizing alternative and hobby OSes. These people are doing something they feel passionate about, it doesn't matter to them if you don't like it. Why don't you create something instead of trying to tear down someone's project?

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RE[6]: A much needed step
by Kochise on Tue 17th Apr 2018 04:40 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: A much needed step"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Criticizing hobby OSes made from scratch and having much goal than testing kernel development is one thing. Find me criticizing SyllableOS, VisiopSYS, Haiku, whatever, you'll find non.

Criticizing an OS in development for 20 years and still haven't reached a stable level for even base functionalities like memory management, I beg to differ and express some doubts.

Reply Score: 3

RE[7]: A much needed step
by Darkmage on Tue 17th Apr 2018 18:51 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: A much needed step"
Darkmage Member since:
2006-10-20

It's improved dramatically from the previous two releases though. Using filezilla to copy thouands of files is now stable and fast. Before it would grind to a halt.

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RE[7]: A much needed step
by roytam1 on Wed 18th Apr 2018 06:29 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: A much needed step"
roytam1 Member since:
2014-06-01

Criticizing an OS in development for 20 years and still haven't reached a stable level for even base functionalities like memory management, I beg to differ and express some doubts.


Because it shows how complex NT memory management is, which leads to difficulties when correctly implementing it.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: A much needed step
by yahya on Mon 16th Apr 2018 16:15 UTC in reply to "RE: A much needed step"
yahya Member since:
2007-03-29

Eh, as long as it can run apps wine can't in a virtual machine ReactOS will remain highly useful for a lot of people.


My experience is not that ReactOS can run software that Wine can't.

Also, are you not joking when you say reactos will "remain highly useful for a lot of people"? I have been following its development since 2003 or so, and until today, it is only good for playing with it for some minutes when a new release comes out, but I haven't made it to run on any real machine for many years now (When they began, there was no virtualbox so the only way of testing was on real hardware, which kind of worked back then, but all but failed in recent years. ROS is probably the most unstable OS I have ever seen, despite more than 20 years of development.

Edited 2018-04-16 16:15 UTC

Reply Score: 6

RE[3]: A much needed step
by Lennie on Mon 16th Apr 2018 17:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A much needed step"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

As far as I know Wine and ReactOS work together (would be crazy not to)

Reply Score: 3

RE[4]: A much needed step
by yahya on Mon 16th Apr 2018 21:18 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: A much needed step"
yahya Member since:
2007-03-29

As far as I know Wine and ReactOS work together (would be crazy not to)


ReactOS uses WINE, but I am not sure that WINE in turn benefits from ReactOS in some way.

Reply Score: 2

RE[5]: A much needed step
by Megol on Tue 17th Apr 2018 19:14 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: A much needed step"
Megol Member since:
2011-04-11

"As far as I know Wine and ReactOS work together (would be crazy not to)


ReactOS uses WINE, but I am not sure that WINE in turn benefits from ReactOS in some way.
"

WINE have in the past at least. Haven't followed lately however given that they are both open source projects with compatible licenses working on the same type of software I don't see why that would have changed. They both benefit from that.

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: A much needed step
by Darkmage on Mon 16th Apr 2018 22:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A much needed step"
Darkmage Member since:
2006-10-20

I wasn't joking at all, ReactOS in it's current form has better support for Caligari trueSpace than WINE does. So sorry that your experience with it hasn't been a success, but in my experience and use case it's been more useful than wine. Remember, ReactOS implements its own window management system closer to Microsoft's than to X11. This allows it to do things WINE can't/doesn't do yet. ReactOS is more than just WINE + an NT-like kernel. It implements it's own systems as well. As the networking support on ReactOS grows it gets more useful. At some point it'll make a pretty decent fileserver if you're used to running FTP/Samba servers at LAN parties on Windows.

Edited 2018-04-16 22:07 UTC

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RE[2]: A much needed step
by zima on Tue 17th Apr 2018 20:20 UTC in reply to "RE: A much needed step"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

ReactOS will remain highly useful for a lot of people

You wrote that without laughing?

Reply Score: 3

Firefox support
by tanishaj on Mon 16th Apr 2018 19:20 UTC
tanishaj
Member since:
2010-12-22

Since version 48, Firefox no longer supports Windows XP and thus does not work on ReactOS either. This is a major problem since Firefox wants to auto-update to the latest version.

If the new NT6+ support could make up-to-date Firefox work again, it would make ReactOS a lot more useful for me.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Firefox support
by jgfenix on Mon 16th Apr 2018 21:57 UTC in reply to "Firefox support"
jgfenix Member since:
2006-05-25

No problem at all. You can use an Extended Support Release. In fact in an unsupported OS Firefox will suggest you to update to the latest ESR version the OS supports.

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Firefox support
by cb88 on Tue 17th Apr 2018 01:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Firefox support"
cb88 Member since:
2009-04-23

Nope, if you install Firefox 48 ESR, it will try to update to 52 ESR and break because ReactOS doesn't support something that it needs yet even though 52 works on XP.

The real solution is to implement the NT6 stuff that current firefox needs....

Reply Score: 3

RE: Firefox support
by zima on Tue 17th Apr 2018 20:22 UTC in reply to "Firefox support"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

it would make ReactOS a lot more useful for me

But still some rather low values of "useful"...

Reply Score: 3

RE: Firefox support
by JimRaynor on Wed 18th Apr 2018 21:12 UTC in reply to "Firefox support"
JimRaynor Member since:
2018-04-06

Since version 48, Firefox no longer supports Windows XP

Of course it does. Firefox 52 ESR is still patched by Mozilla

Reply Score: 2

I just want stability
by dark2 on Mon 16th Apr 2018 23:56 UTC
dark2
Member since:
2014-12-30

I don't care if it's never functionally close, I just want it to be able to run for weeks at a time without bsods. Then it won't matter too much that it's far from feature complete.

Reply Score: 2

RE: I just want stability
by cb88 on Tue 17th Apr 2018 01:46 UTC in reply to "I just want stability"
cb88 Member since:
2009-04-23

I think the they have a leak in their winstock implementation as or perhaps the file system or cache subsystem... as whenever you download something large it seems to leak like a sieve and crash but if you avoid doing things like that it's pretty stable.

Reply Score: 4