Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 15th May 2018 09:49 UTC
AMD

The first Ryzen Pros had a major omission, however: they didn't include integrated GPUs. Corporate desktops and laptops, typically used for Office, Web browsing, and other low-intensity tasks, overwhelmingly use integrated GPUs rather than discrete ones; they simply don't need anything more powerful. The need for separate GPUs meant that the first-generation Ryzen Pros had only very limited appeal in their target corporate market.

The new processors, however, follow in the footsteps of the Ryzens with integrated Vega graphics launched in February, pairing a single core complex (CCX; a bundle of four cores/eight threads and a shared level 3 cache) with a Vega GPU. This makes them a complete solution for the corporate desktop.

These Ryzen processors with built-in Vega graphics are great for relatively affordable computer builds designed for simple office work, such as my translation work. Right now, I work and play games on the same machine, but I intend to move work to a separate, lighter computer so I can be a bit more aggressive in updating the hardware in my gaming PC. Ryzen processors with built-in Vega graphics are great for this.

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v If you want affordable
by emphyrio on Tue 15th May 2018 12:56 UTC
RE: If you want affordable
by SitrucKram on Tue 15th May 2018 13:20 UTC in reply to "If you want affordable"
SitrucKram Member since:
2013-12-02

Raspberry Pi's are decent for a lot of things, but they should never be considered useful for anything other than hobbyist projects and educational tools at this point.

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RE[2]: If you want affordable
by benoitb on Tue 15th May 2018 14:51 UTC in reply to "RE: If you want affordable"
benoitb Member since:
2010-06-29

Why ? You had reliability issues with these ?

However it's not fit for fast desktop usage, that I can agree on. As a headless connected device it's got plenty of power for many applications. I'm using one as a computer and driver for a LED matrix panel. Works fine and it has been reliable so far, there is no graphical environment on it.

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RE[3]: If you want affordable
by SitrucKram on Tue 15th May 2018 15:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: If you want affordable"
SitrucKram Member since:
2013-12-02

I have had a lot of network reliability issues with RPi boards. They share connectivity with USB channels on the board. What you've described is a perfectly acceptable reason to use one of these boards. Office work isn't really one of them. Network and storage through the SD Card are slow. If you choose to go with an external drive, I've had issues with power, so you almost need to go with a powered external HDD/SSD enclosure. I'm not knocking the board - I think they are really fun, and the documentation is pretty good. I just don't think they would be a good replacement for a workstation.

Sure, you can make it 'work', but I'd rather just not mess with it.

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RE[4]: If you want affordable
by Kochise on Wed 16th May 2018 01:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: If you want affordable"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Did you know, there's also RPi alternatives without the USB/ethernet problem, and also more powerful, for a few bucks more. But hey, the RPi is already as powerful as some computer were in the late 90s, early 00s, and nobody complained and everyone got the shit done. So pretending a quadcore 64 bits @ 1+ GHz ain't enough for office usage, well, how to say...

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RE[5]: If you want affordable
by SitrucKram on Wed 16th May 2018 13:12 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: If you want affordable"
SitrucKram Member since:
2013-12-02

I'll change my statement when MS Office for ARM actually works well.

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RE[6]: If you want affordable
by Kochise on Thu 17th May 2018 04:16 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: If you want affordable"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Well, maybe you should consider something else than MS products to work everywhere. Maybe you should consider alternatives also on the software side.

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RE[2]: If you want affordable
by shotsman on Wed 16th May 2018 06:02 UTC in reply to "RE: If you want affordable"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

I use a Raspberry Pi 3B+ for my Firewall/Router.
works like a dream.
If it fails then I just swap it out for another one.
I have several Pi's at home for my Model Railway project.

It works like a dream and is very cheap to buy.

So, I beg to differ from your comment about not being for serious work. They are real computers.

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RE: If you want affordable
by tylerdurden on Tue 15th May 2018 17:57 UTC in reply to "If you want affordable"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Just because the hammer is your favorite tool, it does not mean it is a good approach for tighting up a screw.

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v RE[2]: If you want affordable
by emphyrio on Wed 16th May 2018 10:25 UTC in reply to "RE: If you want affordable"
Energy efficiency?
by Moochman on Wed 16th May 2018 09:34 UTC
Moochman
Member since:
2005-07-06

This sounds awesome for ultrabooks, but the real question is how is the energy efficiency? If the battery life is significantly worse than with an Intel solution this won't see much adoption.

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RE: Energy efficiency?
by JLF65 on Wed 16th May 2018 14:31 UTC in reply to "Energy efficiency?"
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

If you read the article, it's 15W for max power dissipation for mobile parts.

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Fix the Linux drivers...
by kajaman on Wed 16th May 2018 09:59 UTC
kajaman
Member since:
2006-01-06

I only hope this will make them fix the Linux drivers they currently have butchered.

I was unfortunate to buy Ryzen 2400g CPU and attempted to run Linux. Which hangs on boot a lot.

Current kernel built from AMD's work-in-progress git repo sort of works, which in my case means it boots properly every other time.

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Not just for office work
by zima on Mon 21st May 2018 21:12 UTC
zima
Member since:
2005-07-06

These Ryzen processors with built-in Vega graphics are great for relatively affordable computer builds designed for simple office work

They're also quite decent for most games... For office work, even a 2-decade old Matrox Millenium G200 PCI (not Express ;) ...I have such in an old stationary PC) would do the trick. ;)

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