Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 1st Aug 2018 23:03 UTC
Google

Google is reportedly planning to re-launch its search engine in China, complete with censored results to meet the demands of the Chinese government. The company originally shut down its Chinese search engine in 2010, citing government attempts to "limit free speech on the web". But according to a report from The Intercept, the US tech giant now wants to return to the world's biggest single market for internet users.

According to internal documents provided to The Intercept by a whistleblower, Google has been developing a censored version of its search engine under the codename Dragonfly since the beginning of 2017. The search engine is being built as an Android mobile app, and will reportedly "blacklist sensitive queries" and filter out all websites blocked by China's web censors (including Wikipedia and BBC News). The censorship will extend to Google's image search, spell check, and suggested search features.

In the same vein as before, Google cares about freedom of expression and providing access to information. Unless you're Chinese - then you're shit out of luck.

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Comment by FlyingJester
by FlyingJester on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 00:04 UTC
FlyingJester
Member since:
2016-05-11

There's a difference between not caring and not being in a position to do anything about it.

China is willing to go to drastic measures to avoid doing business with uncooperative foreign companies. Saying no to the Chinese government means being replaced with someone who will say yes, or else the Chinese government will fund their own replacement.

Edited 2018-08-02 00:06 UTC

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RE: Comment by FlyingJester
by kwan_e on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 00:16 UTC in reply to "Comment by FlyingJester"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

There's a difference between not caring and not being in a position to do anything about it.
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or else the Chinese government will fund their own replacement.


In the case of Google (and Twitterbookgram), they already have. So why keep trying to sell their soul (remnants of)?

They absolutely are in a position to do something about it - at this stage a refusal to do business in China sends a strong message.

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RE[2]: Comment by FlyingJester
by Ressev on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 05:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by FlyingJester"
Ressev Member since:
2005-07-18

The problem with Google reinventing the wheel, so to speak, is that it can be applied outside of China as well. Their commitment to freedoms is dubious given their willingness to develop the tech to censor searches. What matters to them is they get their market share and make money doing so.

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RE[3]: Comment by FlyingJester
by kwan_e on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 09:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by FlyingJester"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I was talking about the Chinese government funding the development of alternatives (or at least tacit support by allowing them to continue existence), which they have in effect done with Baidu and Weibo and other things.

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RE: Comment by FlyingJester
by Sidux on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 08:45 UTC in reply to "Comment by FlyingJester"
Sidux Member since:
2015-03-10

Pretty much every service offered by Google was copied in China (and will be ..).
Despite this, they need the market-share one way or the other (Asia is currently viewed as second wave of technology startups that need to go global from investment point of view)

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RE[2]: Comment by FlyingJester
by Vistaus on Fri 3rd Aug 2018 16:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by FlyingJester"
Vistaus Member since:
2018-03-21

Their services have also been "copied" in other countries where Google is active. For example, OpenStreetMap "copied" Google Maps, KDE Marble "copied" Google Earth, various services have "copied" Google's former RSS service, etc.

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Comment by Phloptical
by Phloptical on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 02:07 UTC
Phloptical
Member since:
2006-10-10

Don’t give Trump and his window licking supporters any ideas.

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Comment by BeamishBoy
by BeamishBoy on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 09:48 UTC
BeamishBoy
Member since:
2010-10-27

Their country, their rules.

Why is it that Westerners, particularly those of a certain bent, have such a problem understanding this incredibly simple fact?

Edited 2018-08-02 09:50 UTC

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RE: Comment by BeamishBoy
by Kochise on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 09:58 UTC in reply to "Comment by BeamishBoy"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Because... "God bless America" ?

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RE: Comment by BeamishBoy
by agentj on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 15:37 UTC in reply to "Comment by BeamishBoy"
agentj Member since:
2005-08-19

That's why there should be rule of reciprocity - every citizen of china should be denied everything that is denied to people from another countries in China. In EU no chinese should be allowed to own a company, property or get citizenship.

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RE: Comment by BeamishBoy
by Torbjorn Vik Lunde on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 16:29 UTC in reply to "Comment by BeamishBoy"
Torbjorn Vik Lunde Member since:
2009-09-04

We should always be critical of authoritarian tendencies regardless of whether they are close to us or far away.

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If you preffer safety to freedom...
by dsmogor on Thu 2nd Aug 2018 20:48 UTC
dsmogor
Member since:
2005-09-01

you'll eventually loose both.

Instead of going to bed with Chinese gov and starting futile attempts to gain market share in a regulated market late in the game Google should focus on lobbying the US administration to discipline other US IT companies who reach dirty compromises and let it prepare countermeasures barring entry of Chinese IT companies on US market.

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v Comment by IlyichSPB
by IlyichSPB on Fri 3rd Aug 2018 08:27 UTC