Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 25th Mar 2003 16:50 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Yesterday, MandrakeSoft uploaded the three ISOs of their new release, Mandrake Linux 9.1, disquised as RC3. Now the press release is up, RC3 is really 9.1-Final (OSNews had the golden master for a week now, as you read in our yesterday's review). Features, mirrors and make sure you pre-order or join the Mandrake Club. Additionally, you can read here an interview with Gael Duval of MandrakeSoft.
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Mandrake the best
by patrick_darcy on Tue 25th Mar 2003 18:09 UTC

i downloaded it yesterday. its the best Mandrake ever,
and the best Linux distro ever. if u are a fan of Gnome
u dont know what u are missing till u see it in Mandrake.

kde is outstanding as usual.

the speed is there.
the look is there
the feel is there.



i hope many of u will consider purchasing from Mandrake.
its the finest distro in the world and they didnt go negative
and mean to get there. dont forget red hat hates Mandrake.
maybe u dont need to hate.




love

PPC flavour anywhere near complete?
by maclinus on Tue 25th Mar 2003 18:31 UTC

a little off topic, but still related to mandrake linux> any news of when 9.1 for PPC will be released? It's been available in beta for months

mandrake for every ! ;)
by nomore on Tue 25th Mar 2003 18:36 UTC

Yes, Mandrake just rocks ! Pre-Order the new release ! Mandrake needs our help to survive in it's current form.

Mandrake Updates
by Ryan Williams on Tue 25th Mar 2003 18:54 UTC

Do you have to be a member in order to take advantage of the update service.... (i.e. patches, etc) ? I have not used mandrake in about 3 years so I am unfamilar with the membership benefits. After reading all of the reviews, I thought I would give it a shot.

Thanks in advance for any information you may have.

BitTorrent link?
by Luke Roth on Tue 25th Mar 2003 19:13 UTC

I wish they had provided a BitTorrent link to the ISOs, it would get things out a lot faster. Could anyone who has gotten a copy publish a link?

Updates
by Damian on Tue 25th Mar 2003 19:58 UTC

"Do you have to be a member in order to take advantage of the update service.... (i.e. patches, etc) ? I have not used mandrake in about 3 years so I am unfamilar with the membership benefits. After reading all of the reviews, I thought I would give it a shot. "

Mandrake is one of the most "free" distros out there.
The update service is there for everyone.

Freedom Linux?
by monty on Tue 25th Mar 2003 20:01 UTC

Does anyone know if they intend to sell that release under the name 'Freedom Linux' in the U.S.? *grin*

Mandrake Software
by Miles Robinson on Tue 25th Mar 2003 20:02 UTC

Mandrake Software is 100% free software, as well as the updates.

Will be getting this when I get home. It's a shame, too, I was halfway past a Stage 2 Gentoo install.

Mandrake 9.1 is better than Slackware 9.0
by d/l it on Tue 25th Mar 2003 20:12 UTC

got isos last night, fear the penguin , Mr. Gates or more cream pie for you.

Mandrake's commitment to free software rocks.
by Eu on Tue 25th Mar 2003 20:15 UTC

This is beautiful. Without a doubt, the Linux desktop has never looked this good or worked this well.

I think Linus was on to something when he said that the Linux Desktop in 2006 will kick ass. I mean, look how good things are NOW.

Put together a 2.6 kernel, the new features of XFree86, the ongoing progress in KDE and Gnome. Life is good. Freedom is beutiful.

At a time when software has become a crucial tool for work and play, the Linux OS is a testament to the ability of human beings to work together for the greater good and transcend their differences, (of course, we fight along the way). Join us in our determination to offer software that uphold users freedoms and privacy through open file formats and standards compliance. If you don't code, write documentation for any of the existing projects.

Help others move to Linux, anything you can do helps. Once basic needs are met, using software to educate people is a great way to empower people to help themselves. By doing so, you are making a difference in your life and in the lives of people in developing countries.

To all people that create "software libre", I thank you.To those that have not had the pleasure of working in one of these projects, I tell you, give it a shot, see how invigorating it is to create something with people from all over the world.

Eugenia is quoted in the Mandrake press release!
by Wolfang on Tue 25th Mar 2003 20:15 UTC
Why mess with that other disto
by jefro on Tue 25th Mar 2003 20:18 UTC

Why mess with that other distro that doesn't even let anyone use their name when you can use try and buy Mandrake?

I'm joining the club!
by korben on Tue 25th Mar 2003 20:43 UTC

This is it. I never felt so productive with a Linux distro before, Mandrake did this one right! With URPMI set up right Mandrake kicks most other distro's asses. Please support them if you can, I know I will!

URPMI how-to
by zeb on Tue 25th Mar 2003 20:57 UTC

I wrote a how-to for urpmi, and for example installing DVD decryption, or 3D with a Radeon 8500. It is here :

in English http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33668481

in French http://forum.hardware.fr/forum2.php3?post=20457&cat=11&config=&inte...

Enjoy ;)

joining club
by tech_user on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:14 UTC


i think i will joing the other voices here and say that i am moved to join their club to support them

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Still some glitches
by mobileuser on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:15 UTC

Update from 9 to 9.1
Using the secure kernel in 9.0

Did not work...I still have an old secure kernel that brings me a broken distro when I try to use it. I have the latest regular kernel though. Will try to re-update...

This is really beta quality software...Too bad because when everything is patched fixed then it's a fine distro

Re: Freedom Linux?
by Centinel on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:28 UTC

Does anyone know if they intend to sell that release under the name 'Freedom Linux' in the U.S.? *grin*

Probably not--redneck jingoists are too stupid to use use Linux.

Re: BITTORRENT?
by Anonymous on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:37 UTC

Anyone got a bittorrent link for this download? I don't even think trying the ftp's is worth the time, they're all going to be hammered.

Re: Freedom Linux?
by dabooty on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:39 UTC

might do the trick at guantanamo bay ;)

NTFS
by Sean on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:47 UTC

Hey, NTFS resizing is now supported. This (the lack of it) has been a huge barrier to Linux adoption since it requiries people to purchase expensive programmes like Partition Magic or give up Windows.

ftp's not to bad...yet ;)
by SeanParsons on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:49 UTC

I'm in the process of downloading all three iso's right now, and currently my estimated download time is just under four hours. Considering the popularity of Mandrake, I don't think that is to bad.

@patrick_darcy
by dabooty on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:50 UTC

you are not doing mandrake a favor by posting some "mandrake is the best" shit every time there is a mandrake review. This is not your regular trolling, but consistent advertising in the first few posts

If you think we're too stupid to even notice: we've seen you on the mdk newsgroups, we know you're affiliated with mdk and if you thought otherwise, please reconcider.
please stop making a fool out of yourself (and mdk?)

on a paranoid note:
- patrick darcy's post's should get modded down because they're clear advertising in the first posts
- nobody mod's them
- the latest mandrake review is almost an advertisement for mdk
- i will get modded down

I'm not saying someone's a bit "biased" (or has other interests ;) ), but you need to be more careful about the impression you give.

@dabooty
by Eu on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:55 UTC

Chill out. So, what if you have a user who is a bit overenthusiastic about Mandrake? This is a forum and people are smart enough to take everything with a grain of salt.

Relax a bit or jump on the bandwagon and tell us how bad Mandrake is and how good your [distro/os of choice] is.

It's all good.

re: @dabooty
by dabooty on Tue 25th Mar 2003 21:59 UTC

"Chill out. So, what if you have a user who is a bit overenthusiastic about Mandrake? This is a forum and people are smart enough to take everything with a grain of salt."

this is not your regular user, this is a mandrake affiliate who is consistantly posting crappy ads about mandrake, and almost never forgets to trow in a "redhat sux", you can trace back if you want

"or jump on the bandwagon and tell us how bad Mandrake is and how good your [distro/os of choice] is. "

which i never did,
i have used mandrake a long time and actually liked it (boxed set and vip club member, but since i don't have time to develop anymore, i don't make use of my free club membership), i will even download the iso's and try this one out.

my point was about patrick darcy who needs to quit making a fool out of himself

Mandrake in trouble ?
by Darius on Tue 25th Mar 2003 22:53 UTC

It sounds like 9.1 has a lot to offer, but isn't this the same company who is in serious financial trouble?
The distro does look appealing, but the thought that Mandrake might not be around 6 months from now is a little disheartening.

@mobileuser
by zeb on Tue 25th Mar 2003 23:33 UTC

The kernel does not update automatically. You have to use urpmi kernel-secure, then it will be installed, not upgraded. It is always an install with a kernel, then rebooting on the new kernel, you cannot update a current kernel. Lilo entries are automatically updated though.
There is an excellent doc here : http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/magic.php

@Darius
by zeb on Tue 25th Mar 2003 23:38 UTC

This is why Mandrake user who are satisfied should order packs or better, subscribe to mandrakeclub.

Still rpms?
by yerma on Wed 26th Mar 2003 00:22 UTC

No thanks.

@zeb
by mobileuser on Wed 26th Mar 2003 00:42 UTC

Thanks for the link!

How come one of the kernels is not upgraded and all the others are? Especially if, when you reboot, everything is broken.

Great Software
by Alex on Wed 26th Mar 2003 01:58 UTC

Just instale dit yesturday, I learned from pclinuxonline.com taht RC 3 was final and gave it a try. It is very good, consistent and I did not face any of the problems Eugenia did such as windows font problems.

RE: Great Software
by Eugenia on Wed 26th Mar 2003 02:03 UTC

>I did not face any of the problems Eugenia did such as windows font problems.

Did you use the Advanced button for the Fonts installation or simply you used the "Get Windows fonts"? I was talking about the Advanced button.

USB Mouse
by Pete on Wed 26th Mar 2003 02:12 UTC

Don't even try install it if you've got a USB Mouse ;)

MANDRAKE LUREZ
by Eddie on Wed 26th Mar 2003 02:44 UTC

This is the best release I have seen from any distro. Mandrake Rulez. I just hope they get a lot of support from all the MDK lovers like myself. Just this month I renew my membership. ;)

USB & download
by leukos on Wed 26th Mar 2003 02:52 UTC

I don't know about 9.1, but for 9.0, try:

rmmod usbmouse
modprobe usbmouse

worked for me.

By the way, use other mirrors, like metalab, and get the RC3 versions. They are the same as the final one, as the MD5 sums show.

in response
by patrick_darcy on Wed 26th Mar 2003 03:06 UTC

u wrote


you are not doing mandrake a favor by posting some "mandrake is the best" shit every time there is a mandrake review.

i think its the best. u may think red hate is the best.
so be it. i also think suse is pretty cool, though i havent
installed suse in quite a while.




This is not your regular trolling, but consistent advertising in the first few posts

If you think we're too stupid to even notice: we've seen you on the mdk newsgroups, we know you're affiliated with mdk and if you thought otherwise, please reconcider.
please stop making a fool out of yourself (and mdk?)

i wrote

hey, its a free world out here. at least for now ;)
i dont see myself as making a fool out of myself. u dont see
me using four letter words or filthy language to get my
point out do u. chill.


on a paranoid note:
- patrick darcy's post's should get modded down because they're clear advertising in the first posts
- nobody mod's them
- the latest mandrake review is almost an advertisement for mdk
- i will get modded down

i believe uegenia has mentioned in the past that her favorite
distro is red hat. isnt that sad ;) i love her anyway though.
this is the first time i can recall she said anything nice about
Mandrake, is that what u are upset about.



and im not advertising anything more than my opinion.
i am not affiliated with Mandrake unless u call being a
member of the Mandrake club affiliated in that case i plead

GUILTY




I'm not saying someone's a bit "biased" (or has other interests ;) ), but you need to be more careful about the impression you give.

i think i was one of the first people here as of late to take
up for Mandrake. it was becoming a hate Mandrake fest and
so i thought i would just give out some other view than the
red hat hates mandrake point of view.

and while we are on the topic.

do u believe the


we hate Mandrake

we own Linux

if we wanted to kill KDE we would just kill KDE came from
out of the blue.



i wrote
this was red hat pr working the people. i for one will not
use a distro that goes negative and mean to get its
customers. u of course are free to do as u please.

freedom is not about being nasty, freedom is about truth.


hi eugenia ;)




Why Support Mandrake?
by gapp on Wed 26th Mar 2003 03:17 UTC

I used Mandrake for a long time and spent money to support them. I now wish I have used my money to support Debian, the disto I now use. I wonder why should someone use Mandrake? Mandrake always trys to make sure everyone knows that their distro is the easyiest distro to install. Furthermore, one of their packages URPMI is suppose to be a reliable package management tool. Not True!

If you want to experience quality package management tools then use Debian. Best of all you do not have to worry about a company on the brink of going out of business.

This distro kicks-ass
by zm3ssiah on Wed 26th Mar 2003 03:47 UTC

This time Mandrake has brought out a polished and nice distro. I have the latest hardware and it supports it! Cool! I use Linux since 97, and for most of the time I used Slackware. I say used, becuase I'm switching to Mandrake. By now my learning experience with Linux might be complete, and Mandrake helps me be productive. I hope tought that the company will not go to hell. Maybe other fellow slackware users will say I'm crazy, and maybe I am. I just have time anymore for slack, thats all, but it is and will 4 ever remain my favourite distro. With that said, I would like to say one more thing: I would NEVER put mandrake linux on a server, that place is reserved for slackware or freebsd...but the desktop is something diferent...:)
PS: It's worth to support them, but I will continue to support slack by buing CD's every release:)

darcy
by zrln on Wed 26th Mar 2003 03:57 UTC

OT buy _relax_ with the white space...

RE: patrick_darcy
by Eddie on Wed 26th Mar 2003 04:05 UTC

Take a chill pill.

Impressed @ OSNews server
by ~CdBee~ on Wed 26th Mar 2003 07:37 UTC

last night /. linked directly to this page, its good to see it's still here. it would be kinda ironic if a site that sometimes osnews'es people got slashdotted.

Hy there Eugenia, I love your reviews. The point is that I've got the Mandrake 9.1 release ISO's and can't find that hidden software on CD No.3... I mean Opera, Java RE, and of course Real Player 8. Nope. Can't find it. I saw in your reviw that you where talking about it. Please let me know.
Thanx!

Disto Fanboys
by MxCl on Wed 26th Mar 2003 09:53 UTC

Distro Fanboys make me sick.

Sounds alright, I'll try it if I get a chance. I'll be surprised if URPMI is in the same league to APT, but I'll try it with an open mind.

iso's
by bhavin on Wed 26th Mar 2003 14:49 UTC

what are the correct file sizes for the isos.
in one place i saw three 650 mb files
at another place 699,649, and 456??
which verion is correct???

Re: iso's
by Eddie on Wed 26th Mar 2003 15:26 UTC

Mandrake91-cd1-inst.i586.iso
650 MB (682,164,224 bytes)

Mandrake91-cd2-ext.i586.iso
649 MB (681,279,488 bytes)

Mandrake91-cd3-i18n.i586.iso
650 MB (681,574,400 bytes)

These are the one's I have and they work.

re: gapp
by Rude Turnip on Wed 26th Mar 2003 15:32 UTC

"If you want to experience quality package management tools then use Debian. Best of all you do not have to worry about a company on the brink of going out of business."

IIRC, everything Mandrake does is GPL (someone correct me if I'm wrong). So, if the company goes out of business, the software still lives. However, as long as Mandrake SA is still in existence, I'll gladly pick up a PowerPack edition now and then (I paid $70 for 9.0 at BestBuy) to keep a concerted (and productive) development effort going. 9.1 installfest this weekend...w00t ;)

v for all u grouchy people out there
by patrick_darcy on Wed 26th Mar 2003 15:48 UTC
interesting GF4 results
by pc dude on Wed 26th Mar 2003 16:25 UTC

I cant even get past the initial install splash screen from the cd when booting up. I have to use the text mode installer with my GF4/4200 8X. strange no?

urpmi / apt
by AdamW on Wed 26th Mar 2003 16:31 UTC

urpmi has pretty much all the functionality of apt. but you have to use it right. it's not going to do dependency resolution for non-Mandrake RPMs, etc. stick to Mandrake repositories and it will see you right. combined with meta-packages, urpmi can do some pretty cool stuff. for instance - install Mandrake without installing GNOME. then do "urpmi gnome2", and all of GNOME gets installed. neat, no? =)

UNinstall software?
by Daan on Wed 26th Mar 2003 16:53 UTC

That URPMI, no doubt it is great at installing software and fulfilling dependencies. Sure it is as good as APT. But then, is it as good as aptITUDE?
This program remembers which packages were installed to fulfill dependencies, so if you Uninstall some software, it automatically removes any packages not needed anymore. Can URPMI do this too?
I ask this as unneeded packages took up much disk space in Suse 6.4 and 7.3, and as unneeded DLL's seem to take up much disk space in my Windows installation.

updates don't last forever!
by Masao[RY] on Wed 26th Mar 2003 17:38 UTC

""Do you have to be a member in order to take advantage of the update service.... (i.e. patches, etc) ? I have not used mandrake in about 3 years so I am unfamilar with the membership benefits. After reading all of the reviews, I thought I would give it a shot. "

Mandrake is one of the most "free" distros out there.
The update service is there for everyone. "

Well the updates are free but the updates are only on the servers barely a year. So after the next version of Mandrake is released a few months afterward the updates for 9.1 will expire and if you want anything patched you'll have to download the new ISOs. It makes sense, saves them money and time, but really annoying if you have an older machine that can barely run 8.0.

Not True
by CyberCFO on Wed 26th Mar 2003 18:45 UTC

"Well the updates are free but the updates are only on the servers barely a year."

Not true. All updates from version 6.0 are available on the mirrors in the updates directory. Perhaps you were referring to the just issued policy of only creating updates for a year (Actually, desktop updates for a year, core updates for 18 months). Once an updated RPM is created, it is left on the mirror indefinitely.

/g

Not so good for me...
by DingoFish on Wed 26th Mar 2003 19:14 UTC

Well I installed 9.1 and have not been really pleased with it onmy laptop (1.2 ghz celeron, 256 mb RAM,). It is Sloooow. I can't connect to my network, and the repartitinoing and installation fscked my win xp partition! I can't boot back into XP, with out reinstalling a certain file. Hopefully it won't require a full installation.

I am not trolling, just my experience - hopefully I will have better to say as I tinker around. I would also love some help!

Examples...
by DingoFish on Wed 26th Mar 2003 19:20 UTC

Some examples of the slow performance: Mozilla just took 43 seconds from "click" to fully open!

urpmi removal, dingofish problems
by AdamW on Wed 26th Mar 2003 23:47 UTC

daan: yup, it can. urpme does exactly that - urpme <package> removes that package and all that depend on it.

dingofish: well, NTFS resizing isn't Mandrake's software, so you'll have to report that to the NTFS project. can't do anything about the network problem without proper information. did you run drakconnect? what's the problem exactly? the slowness is very odd, there's certainly something wrong - Mozilla takes less than 30 secs to open on this antiquated laptop. Maybe your hard disk isn't in DMA mode? check with hdparm: install it (that's a job for urpmi! :>) then do:

# hdparm /dev/hda

assuming that's your hard disk, and check that using_dma is set to 1 (on).

Works fine now!
by Dingofish on Thu 27th Mar 2003 04:25 UTC

I can only suspect that the slowness is realted to the network I was plugging into - standalone and it flies! I had used hdparm and everything checked out good. Still haven't worked on the XP corruption though, I guess I am in no hurry - I really like this release. I know everyone has strong opinions about both Red Hat and Mandrake, but the last two releases by these companies have really, really done alot to move Linux into more users hands.

BitTorrent links
by Sits on Thu 27th Mar 2003 07:54 UTC

BitTorrent http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/ is a swarmcasting protocol which allows you to upload parts of the file from others as you are downloading it yourself thus spreading some of the load of popular downloads.

Either
http://www.levien.com/mandrake9.1.torrent or http://a.scarywater.net/slashdot/mandrake9.1.torrent should work.

The windows client is easy to operate as a browser plugin but if you are on Linux you will have to have python installed (an example of the syntax to start is
python btdownloadheadless.py --url <url> --saveas <directory to save to>)

Im thinking about changing o/s from xp to mandrake
by joe on Sun 30th Mar 2003 23:09 UTC

hi im thinking about changing my os and i was wondring what addvantages does madrake have that xp does not have in genral thanks ;)