Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 13th Sep 2003 03:48 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris This is a critical review of the installation, setup and actual performance of the Mandrake distribution of the GNU/Linux operating system, version 9.1, and comes as a second part of OfB.biz's Mandrake review. (You can see part I here.) The review will cover these areas: (1) Installation and install-related setup; (2) Post-installation system administration; and (3) System performance. The review will end with a general evaluation and will assign grades on relevant areas.
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Heh
by whichhunt on Sat 13th Sep 2003 06:32 UTC

Mandrake Linux 9.2: A Commercial Desktop for Formerly Free People ... A critical review as to how to remove the adverts.

RE: Heh
by LC on Sat 13th Sep 2003 07:11 UTC

IMHO 10 second to remove the adverts is better then 10 hours to configure the Debian for desktop :-)

Ps. Because the 9.2 coming soon, the 9.1 review seems a little bit outdated.

Re Re ; Heh
by totothemacho on Sat 13th Sep 2003 08:19 UTC

I don't want to pay a distro to see lot of advertising around.

I don't care I can remove the adverts within 10 seconds : Why not using Netscape 7 in that case ?

May be Mandrake user should look at SuSE or Redhat solutions that are free of advertising

RE: Re Re ; Heh
by ieam on Sat 13th Sep 2003 08:50 UTC

Yes!! You can look at SuSE... for free???? If you pay for Mandrake you won't get advertising! If you download it you will get some bookmarks preinstalled and advertising in the installation process... oh my god, what a pity, mandrake guys have sold out!! [/irony]
I recommend you read this article: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid...
(by the way, excuse my poor english)

RE: Heh
by godunow on Sat 13th Sep 2003 08:59 UTC

These ads are no big deal - just screensavers and bookmarks in mozilla. I thought that twas gonna be Poltergeist-like omnipresent ads but it is not.

However I still prefer to spend 10 hour to configure Debian fo r desktop.

Mdk and ads
by Ced on Sat 13th Sep 2003 10:19 UTC

"0) There won't be any ad in the screensavers in Mandrake 9.2

There will be one paid-ad in the installation procedure, and a few paid-links in bookmarks."


Read the rest at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/mdkads.php3

Mandrake ads...
by Dawnrider on Sat 13th Sep 2003 10:39 UTC

It's amusing, really. Mandrake intend to have only adverts in the install procedure and useful bookmarks already in place for Linux companies. So maybe links to MySQL, IBM and people like that.

The adverts aren't there in usual use, so there is no difference in user experience, in fact, the bookmarks are actually useful!

Compare this with web sites like OSNews, PCLinuxOnline, Newsforge and Slashdot, which sometimes have complimentary adverts, but sometimes have unrelated stuff, too. Personally, I'm never going to use the silly online photo storage thing that the advert for is currently running at the top of my open window for newsforge.

So all in all, I really don't understand why people frequenting such sites, and being barraged by mindless, useless adverts every day are opposed to something which might actually be helpful to them.

freedom fries
by davey crocket on Sat 13th Sep 2003 11:46 UTC

Some while back we had the ludicrous situation of french fries being referred to as 'Freedom Fries' now the french distribution refered to as the 'Free Operating System for Free People' - take your 'Freedom' and shove it

v freedom fries
by Anonymous on Sat 13th Sep 2003 12:18 UTC
when will mandrake 9.2 come out?
by bahamot on Sat 13th Sep 2003 12:19 UTC

as the subject.......

RE: freedom fries
by Anonymous on Sat 13th Sep 2003 12:24 UTC

They didn't come from France.

bahamot:
by AdamW on Sat 13th Sep 2003 12:45 UTC

scheduled for 20 September. I don't think it'll make that, personally, but I might be wrong. ;)

bahamot:
by DarkStalker on Sat 13th Sep 2003 12:55 UTC

AdamW: I think it will end up meeting the September 20th date. I've been using 9.2 RC2 and it is nice and ready for full release in my opinion. I was really worried after trying out 9.2 RC1 because performance was highly jerky. Under RC2, my computer has never been snappier. What do you know, an OS that actually gets faster and uses less resources with each new version. Someone needs to explain how to do that to Microsoft.

(I say this because there's no way you could run any recent MS OS on this box, a PII 300mhz, but yet I can use all the latest Linux distros. Yeah, yeah.. I know, I'm poor.)

v re: freedom fries
by Syntaxis on Sat 13th Sep 2003 14:36 UTC
RE: re: freedom fries
by CooCooCaChoo on Sat 13th Sep 2003 14:41 UTC

Funny, I was watching a interview with an old timer giving France a hard time. Interesting that we don't see any Americans thank France for their support during the revolution and the nice gift they gave to America afterwards, IIRC, Spain was also involved in the anti-English support.

buying an ad-free drisro, web ads
by tech_user on Sat 13th Sep 2003 15:36 UTC

two points:
* web ads are not OS ads. a web page does not run your essential services. or should not. your OS does. you don't trust the contents of ean external web page. you should be able to trust your OS a little more.

* there is an argument against ads in the free version: most people will try the free version before they buy. i know thati didn't buy the 9.1 release because having tried the 9.1 dowload, it had too many broken things in areas that were important to me. its not like M$ - where you buy on trust. linux was supposed to be different. if 9.2 download is good - i'll buy the box.

do mandrake actually know the mechanisms behind their customers purchasing habits?

here in the UK the local pcworld store employee says that people buy the redhat boxes because they know what it is. they've played with it. and the want the non-commerical extras. he says theu don't sell much suse because people don't know what it is. there's little/no free download for them to try. he suggests his suse purchasers buy it because it has a fancier design on the box!

@totothemacho
by Great Cthulhu on Sat 13th Sep 2003 15:42 UTC

May be Mandrake user should look at SuSE or Redhat solutions that are free of advertising

Could you be so kind as to give me the URL where I can download SuSE for free?

Suse download for free
by aki on Sat 13th Sep 2003 16:46 UTC

Easy. Here it is. Free ftp install.

ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/

But, you would be stupid to download it now!
by Alex on Sat 13th Sep 2003 17:59 UTC

Mandrake 9.2, RH 10 and SUSE 8.3 (I think) are right around the corner, there's no point in going back 6 months in linux development.

Free ftp install is not a answer for full iso's
by Matt P on Sat 13th Sep 2003 19:24 UTC

I can't run a full ftp install if my wireless card driver is included in the ftp install bootup(need to setup it up after install). How do I install if I can't connect?

I can't run a full ftp install if my wireless card driver is "not" included in the ftp install bootup(need to setup it up after install). How do I install if I can't connect?

Reviews suggest something else?
by Mack on Sat 13th Sep 2003 20:07 UTC

It strikes me as odd that almost every couple of days there is another review of the same Linux system being posted, whether it be Mandrake, Redhat, SuSe or whatever. Why don't people write weekly reviews of Windows XP? I think the answer is the reason Linux isn't ready for the desktop for most people. Everyone's experience with it is slighly different! Oops, need this driver, hey, that isnt supported. With Windows, MS has done a good job of making everything extremely consistent (and this includes Windows crashing for the same reason on multiple PC's). Anyhow, just my two cents....

Re: freedom fries
by Timothy R. Butler on Sat 13th Sep 2003 20:08 UTC

I guess you don't understand Free Software philosophy. Mandrake is a 100% Free Software desktop, so it makes sense to call it a Free Desktop for Free People. That's what it is, and we commend it for being that (unlike SuSE, which is very nice but not a Free Software desktop).

Re: Mandrake Ads
by Timothy R. Butler on Sat 13th Sep 2003 20:09 UTC

I can't believe all of the complaint about this. Tell me in one other area of life you'd expect a company to give you something for free without advertising or some other kind of catch. This is absolutely crazy.

Matt P
by TheDude on Sat 13th Sep 2003 21:04 UTC

Mirror the entire SUSE 8.2 directory to a local ftp server at your house and do it over Ethernet. Other than that, buy it. I bought SUSE and regretted it. Now my servers run Debian and Redhat, my desktop is Mandrake, and my firewall is OpenBSD. I bought every one except Mandrake but I will be buying 9.2

ads...
by leep on Sat 13th Sep 2003 21:20 UTC

I can't believe anyone gives a hoot about having ads shown during installation (look the other way!!) and a few web links left over when its done that take second to delete. Big deal.

If it was spyware being installed, that would be another thing. But it isn't.

re: freedom fries
by Syntaxis on Sat 13th Sep 2003 22:06 UTC

"I guess you don't understand Free Software philosophy. Mandrake is a 100% Free Software desktop, so it makes sense to call it a Free Desktop for Free People."

Sure, provided that you don't actually want anyone to take it seriously. Shouting "FREEDOM!" at the top of your lungs is going to have far less success in converting people than simply touting the products on its own practical merits.

Besides, you're missing the point. Just go to http://www.distrowatch.org and you'll have no difficulty in finding other distributions that are wholly Free (by either the Debian or FSF definitions, or even just Open Source if you like, whichever wets your whistle). This is really not that much of a differentiating feature, and does not deserve repeated mention throughout what claims to be a critical review. It certainly shouldn't be in the title, either.

re: freedom fries
by Syntaxis on Sat 13th Sep 2003 22:34 UTC

"Shouting "FREEDOM!" at the top of your lungs is going to have far less success in converting people than simply touting the products on its own practical merits."

Okay, to be fair, the author *does* examine the distro on its practical merits as well. The (really) poor choice of title pretty much demolishes the piece's appeal to anyone else but an already-initiated Linux user, but other than that I'd say it's a pretty good review, especially considering that most others just cover the install and leave it at that.

It's well-researched, detailed, and backed up with plenty of well-chosen screenshots. Great work overall. It's just a shame that no-one who doesn't already know all about the Free Software philosophy is going to want to read it.

@aki
by Great Cthulhu on Sun 14th Sep 2003 00:45 UTC

I don't see any isos in that ftp folder - not quite the same thing, now, is it?

I tried Mandrake Once...Once
by Smartpatrol on Sun 14th Sep 2003 11:24 UTC

And i really didn't like it. To me its alot like caldera linux (hopefully it will go away like Caldera linux).

Oh and when you get a chance try typing in "french military victories" in to google and click the im feeling lucky button.....nuff said!

darkstalker:
by AdamW on Sun 14th Sep 2003 17:22 UTC

heh, I use Cooker. There's still plenty of bugs in RC2, count yourself lucky you didn't meet 'em ;)

mack:
by AdamW on Sun 14th Sep 2003 17:24 UTC

well, because Windows XP was released two years ago. There were still reviews of it coming out six months after it was released. Mandrake is released every six months; thus, you get virtually perpetual Mandrake reviews.

vive Mandrake
by patrick_darcy on Sun 14th Sep 2003 18:35 UTC



its simply the best for the people and the
source is always with u ;)

so please quit whining and complaining. maybe someone
can do another review on red hate and then the
people will be happy.

RE:Reviews suggest something else?
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Sep 2003 15:33 UTC

>>.. Why don't people write weekly reviews of Windows XP?..<<

It's already there around the nets. Too bad that those people write weekly reviews of Windows XP's viruses ;)

RE: Matt P (TheDude)
by Nonamenobdy on Mon 15th Sep 2003 16:12 UTC

>> Mirror the entire SUSE 8.2 directory to a local ftp server at your house and do it over Ethernet. Other than that, buy it. I bought SUSE and regretted it. Now my servers run Debian and Redhat, my desktop is Mandrake, and my firewall is OpenBSD. I bought every one except Mandrake but I will be buying 9.2

If he had a network card which was supported Linux (i.e. the kernel and therefore all distro's out of the box), that he could use for a local FTP install, surely he would be using that for the regular FTP install.

MattP, you can download the files you think you will need (e.g. leave most of the 3 GB of source) to your harddisk and install from there, or you can burn them to DVD-R. Or you could even buy a wireless adaptor that works 'out of the box' with SuSE (they support quite a few).