Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 25th Sep 2003 21:47 UTC, submitted by Matt South
Xfce The next generation XFce is now out, v4. Read the release notes, the press release and download.
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Yey
by Tyr on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:01 UTC

Good news! I'm still running RC4 and will probably not bother upgrading because I've had exactly 0 problems with it.

Good news
by contrasutra on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:04 UTC

FINALLY! XFCE4 was stable in CVS, These RCs have been annoying. What has it been, 5 years since XFCE3's last upate?

Great job Mr. Fourdan. XFCE4 is super stable,fast,pretty,and full of features, GNOME and KDE should someday hope to be as good as XFCE.

Name?
by NateS on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:12 UTC

Is the name of this project really pronounced xfce (x-fee-cee)?

I really wish
by Maynard on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:14 UTC

The people developing Metacity and those doing XFWM (is that what it is called) would just get together. Or just port over some of the missing functionality from XFWM to Metacity.

...
by Thom on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:15 UTC

It looks quite impressive, quite clean. Nice design!

I've never used Xfce though... Might try it out one of these days...

simple and fast xfce 4 :-)
by yasasvi on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:17 UTC

I think xfce is best in its look and simplicity. xfce ( + menumaker) is my main DE now. Shunned KDE and kept only gnome 2.4 and XFCE Rc4. XFCE fast and clean. Liked it. Best of luck team ;)

Random question
by Feed on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:39 UTC

Can XFCE minimize to the desktop ala Sun's CDE?

simply beautiful
by anemone on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:45 UTC

XFCE has changed a lot between main releases 3 and 4. XFCE4 is beautiful and strong. I only hope that Debian maintainers update the XFCE4 packages in unstable as soon as possible.

RE: Random question
by Eugenia on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:51 UTC

>Can XFCE minimize to the desktop ala Sun's CDE?

That's what XFce 3 was doing. XFce 4 has a real taskbar now.

XFCE
by tony on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:56 UTC

i had the cvs on my ibook..cant wait to try xfce4 ..woo hoo finally

Re: Name?
by Shawna on Thu 25th Sep 2003 22:58 UTC

>>Is the name of this project really pronounced xfce (x-fee-cee)?

I would like to know that too. Also, semi-related (since I guess you can run it under XFCE), how do you pronounce "kopete"? Koe-peet? Koe-pay-tay? Kay-oh-peet? What??? God I hate Linux product names. I asked how you pronounce "SuSE" a while back and got like 3 different answers.

I have the answer.
by . on Thu 25th Sep 2003 23:16 UTC

Is the name of this project really pronounced xfce (x-fee-cee)?

I pronounce it as x-f-c-e.

My word is law.

Re: Name?
by /* */ on Thu 25th Sep 2003 23:26 UTC

Linux is all about choice. You can pronounce it however you want, and be completely correct. I mean who really says GNU ga-new?

Re: Name?
by Mitsugi on Thu 25th Sep 2003 23:32 UTC

>>I asked how you pronounce "SuSE" a while back and got like 3 different answers.

view this video from ZDNet http://news.com.com/1601-2-5061745.html and it's probably correct pronunciation

Re: Re: Random question.
by Feed on Thu 25th Sep 2003 23:36 UTC

"That's what XFce 3 was doing. XFce 4 has a real taskbar now."
Is the old behavior still available?

excellent! perfect for getting work done.
by tech_user on Thu 25th Sep 2003 23:53 UTC

good news! i've been using xfce3 for all my work needs - its aesthetic, light, doesn't get in the way and has enough functionality to be _useful_.
i'll continue to use xfce3 for my main workstation, but i did try to compile rc4 for netbsd and it works beautifully.

i'll still the source rpm to xfce3 around ... just in case!

and i find that the artistic side of the design of xfce to be much more "finished" than either the default gnome and kde installs.

hurray and congratualtions.... its been a long wait.

Re: Re: Random question
by Zeitgeist on Fri 26th Sep 2003 01:00 UTC

""That's what XFce 3 was doing. XFce 4 has a real taskbar now."
Is the old behavior still available?"

I think the minimize to desktop CDE/WindowMaker, etc way is much better than the taskbar that windows brought us, but that's just me

Which Linux distro
by Guma on Fri 26th Sep 2003 01:04 UTC

Which comming distro will it have? I am thinking about puing a new box and looking for a good distro that will have it as part of instalation

Thanx

Fast!!!
by Vincent on Fri 26th Sep 2003 01:18 UTC

At least their stuff is fast!! Gnome and KDE take notice!

keyboard support.
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:08 UTC

I know xfce is all about the mouse, but how is the
keyboard support in 4.0 ?

About the Taskbar
by TheMatt on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:08 UTC

Well, if you don't like the taskbar, don't use it. I don't. If you look at this screenshot:

http://www.xfce.org/images/screenshots/michael_screen.jpeg

You'll see no taskbar, just the panel and the iconbox at the lower right (which holds icons for programs that are minimized, &c). Note, stock XFce doesn't have icons on the desktop, but if you run nautilus, you can get them back. If you want gDesklets, run it and it will work. You can have all the eyecandy you want, but much slimmer than GNOME.

RE: Which Linux distro
by Charlie Lesh on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:09 UTC

Guma:

Slackware-Current (soon to be 9.1) has it.
Actually, it has XFCE4 rc4, so I guess it will probably up date in the next few days, almost certainly before 9.1 final comes out.

-Charlie

icons on desktop
by E. on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:13 UTC

"Can XFCE minimize to the desktop ala Sun's CDE?"

"That's what XFce 3 was doing. XFce 4 has a real taskbar now."

"I think the minimize to desktop CDE/WindowMaker, etc way is much better than the taskbar that windows brought us, but that's just me"

Try the icon box -- you can also "turn off" the taskbar by copying xfce4's xinitrc file to your `?.xfce4 folder and removing the line of code the calls the taskbar -- or you could repalce it with the icon box. You can also center-click just as in those other window managers and desktops to cycle through your desktops and apps... or you can use the rox desktop instead...

Re; Re: Re: Random question.
by chemicalscum on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:20 UTC

"is the old behavior still available?"

There is an iconbox now that can be used as an alternative to the taskbar.

It must be Christmas!
by Jeremy on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:35 UTC

Alright! First Qcad and OpenOffice updates, and now this! Awesome... I love Xfce 4. I've been running one of the RCs for a while now, and it's fast and stays pretty much out of my way. There have been a few small problems that I've noticed with it (the file manager crashing, themes acting quirky), but I'm willing to bet that most of these have been fixed to some degree. I use Rox-filer for my desktop icons. I also like it quite a bit as a file manager, too, but maybe now I'll try out Xffm again...

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Random question.
by John Blink on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:35 UTC

There is an iconbox that can replace the taskbar.

Sorry just trying to be funny!!!!

;-B

Nice+Question
by Aeonsfx on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:38 UTC

Sounds great. I use Sawfish (without Gnome), or FVWM, though if I ever wanted to use a desktop again, this would definitely be my first choice. Lightweight, feature complete, and has an iconbox. Not bad. Plus it looks very clean in GTK+2

One question though, is it possible to viewports in the XFCE pager like in FVWM or Sawfish? Just curious.

--Tim

best for me
by xedx on Fri 26th Sep 2003 02:50 UTC

Xfce4 is simply the best DE for me. My rc4 even is very stable for everyday use. Excellent job by the xfce team! Thanks for bringing us the goods ;)

what a long strange trip it's been
by Jon on Fri 26th Sep 2003 03:15 UTC

I've been using xwindows since the early 90's, and no windowmanager or desktop really looked and felt right until I started using xfce4. I found it to be extremely responsive, and easy on the eyes with anti-aliased fonts. I highly recommend it to anyone that wants a no bullshit but good looking window environment for unix.





Resource usage between Xfce and other DE
by Guma on Fri 26th Sep 2003 04:14 UTC

Can someone please post memory usage when you start them. And what is the best config to fun XFce. I like simple fast enviroment. I am using blackbox right now. How does it compare in speed to blackbox? I am asking just about speed here ;)

Guma

Recommended Requirements
by James on Fri 26th Sep 2003 04:36 UTC

I'm wondering what the recommended requirements might be.

I have an old P-133, 32mb ram, at school that I'm thinking of slapping FreeBSD on and I'd really like to be able to run something like XFCE 4.0. I wonder if this is pushing it a bit to far?

I remember running XFCE 3.x on my p200 with OpenBSD and it was a tad sluggish (that could be OBSD though).

Can anyone share any relevent experiences?

xfce4
by schnarkle on Fri 26th Sep 2003 04:47 UTC

xfce4 is the shiznit

i'm nobody
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Sep 2003 04:57 UTC

but this xfce4 de is great.

on redhat9, i feel like i'm running a brand new distribution. it also loads instantly from gdm.

i get wireframe mode back, and it's not all "twinkly" like kdes....and i don't have to hack metacity either.

this is very cool.

GREAT JOB XFCE CODERS!

quick, it looks great. put it on your rh9 box. it takes like 5 minutes, including download (if your on broadband)

Ownage!!
by Vecc on Fri 26th Sep 2003 05:43 UTC

The best desktop E is only getting better. Kudos to you all, developing xfce!!

-Vecc

Is there no "start" or "K" or "G" foot menu?
by ~ on Fri 26th Sep 2003 06:03 UTC

Overall I like what I see in XFce4 but one think missing is a program menu ... not just the quick start buttons on the bottom but something to launch programs resident on comp. Also, does XFce4 support desktop icons?

Re: Guma
by xedx on Fri 26th Sep 2003 06:03 UTC

blackbox, fluxbox and derivatives are ofcourse faster. ;) they are more minimal

Re: Is there no "start" or "K" or "G" foot menu?
by Artem on Fri 26th Sep 2003 08:01 UTC

Hey, don't ask them about Start menu or they will kill you :-)

XFCE coders don't like this way of starting programs. I asked them if it's possible to implement such a thing, and they said yes, it is, but they won't.

How about keyboard support?
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Sep 2003 08:16 UTC

>I know xfce is all about the mouse, but how is the
>keyboard support in 4.0?

That's also my concern. Is it possible to configure keys for switching desktops etc.?

I love it!
by Eu on Fri 26th Sep 2003 08:17 UTC

I am heavy KDE user, but I just fell in love with XFCe. This is so fast and configurable. You can change its look to whatever you like.

The one thing I would like to have, this is on a laptop running Red hat 9, is integration with the standard menu. I am also yet to learn how to create shortcuts to applications on the desktop. Tips, anyone?

Adding menu in XFCE
by DrLinux on Fri 26th Sep 2003 09:32 UTC

3-ways to add menu in XFCE
Dirty Way:
right-click on desktop ==> run program ==> gnome-panel


Hard Way:
This is how you configure the right click pop-up menu to display your custom menu.

copy the global setting into your home directory
1) cp /etc/X11/xfce4/menu.xml ~/.xfce/.

open up ~/.xfce/menu.xml
2) gedit or vi ~/.xfce4/menu.xml

<xfdesktop-menu>
<!-- your custom menu goes here -->
</xfdesktop-menu>

3) to add menu

<xfdesktop-menu>
<menu name="Multimedia" visible="yes">
</menu>
</xfdesktop-menu>

4) to add applications to menu

<xfdesktop-menu>
<menu name="Multimedia" visible="yes">
<app name="Totem Media Player" cmd="totem"/>
</menu>
</xfdesktop-menu>

5) to add separator

<xfdesktop-menu>
<menu name="Multimedia" visible="yes">
<app name="Totem Media Player" cmd="totem"/>
<separator/>
<app name="XMMS Player" cmd="xmms"/>
</menu>
<separtor/>
<menu name"Office" visible="yes">
<app name="Word" cmd="swriter"/>
</menu>
</xfdesktop-menu>



Clean way:
import gnome's menu structure (see how-to by googling)

stability problems
by boris on Fri 26th Sep 2003 09:35 UTC

Hi,

after APM suspends on my Intel RC44BX Board PII350 256 MB RAM Riva 128zx, xfce sometimes crashes, or hangs in a kind of infinite loop:
The monitor powers on and I see only a black screen. Switching to the terminal where I started xfce with "startxfce4" there is plenty of text running over the screen. There's no other solution then Ctrl->Alt->Backspace.
I've had this problem with all release candidates.

Does anyone know, what's happening here??

Dr. Linux
by Eu on Fri 26th Sep 2003 11:14 UTC

Wow,

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll look into it after I get some sleep.

Thank you again.

Program Menu
by TheMatt on Fri 26th Sep 2003 13:59 UTC

Folks, if you want a program menu in XFce4, you should get Menumaker:

http://menumaker.sourceforge.net/

It searches your box for programs and then replaces the right-click menu (i.e., ~/.xfce4/menu.xml).

No fuss, no muss.

Re: Program Menu
by Todd on Fri 26th Sep 2003 14:31 UTC

No fuss, no muss.

What exactly is muss? ;) hee hee

desktop icons?
by i_code_too_much on Fri 26th Sep 2003 14:36 UTC

Does it support desktop icons?

Re: Program Menu (TheMatt)
by Artem on Fri 26th Sep 2003 14:42 UTC

"Folks, if you want a program menu in XFce4, you should get Menumaker:"

Thanks, I know this. The point is, desktop menu can't replace panel menu. It's inferior usability-wise, 'cause you have to search for free desktop spase to right-click on it and get program menu, whereas with panel button you always know where to click. And yes, I know about desktop margins, but for this particular application I consider it only a work-around... I think that the UI control showing program menu must be distinct, clearly seen.

Stuff
by Bob on Fri 26th Sep 2003 14:43 UTC

In my experience there was no Bluecurve theme for XFFM, what's up with that? It's the default panel theme and then they give you stock GNOME icons (shudder) in the file manager.

Also, I haven't been able a way to make the panel minimize. Isn't this supposed to be possible?

BTW, I love XFCE's support of mousewheel desktop switching. Now if only Olivier and friends would get started on a GTK2 mail client. Balsa is a POS that's never worked right for me and Slypheed(-claws) don't do it for me, either. Mozilla and Thunderbird insist on giving each account its own drafts, trash, sent, and inbox folders so they're out (plus the take too long to launch). Evolution is more than I need...

RE: icons
by anemone on Fri 26th Sep 2003 14:45 UTC

If you really cannot live without desktop icons, check out iDesk:

http://idesk.timmfin.net/about.html

Evolution is more than I need...
by Aitvo on Fri 26th Sep 2003 16:16 UTC

Evolution 1.4x is *lightning fast*, MUUCH faster than the older gtk version. You should give the new version a try, I'm sure it will surprise you.

RE: Evolution is more than I need...
by Bob on Fri 26th Sep 2003 17:05 UTC

I am using the latest and while it does start up fairly well, it's still quite a RAM hog. Also, I My XFCE setup only has 128 megs of RAM and a 500mhz PIII.

Typing skillz
by Bob on Fri 26th Sep 2003 17:07 UTC

Boy, I'm really slopping in my spelling and capitalization today. Up too late last night /-)

MenuMaker
by Nikola Pizurica on Fri 26th Sep 2003 18:32 UTC

I recomend MenuMaker for those who like quick excess (sp?) to their apps. IMO, MenuMaker should be part of XFce4. It worked like a charm here, created nicely organized desktop menu.
BTW, I was long, long time BeOS user, i built dual celleron box just for it, picked all my hardware to be BeOS compatibile, but I was fed up since my digital camera is not supported, or my USB disk, so I went to Linux. Gnome was dog slow, but XFce4 is WONDERFULL. Light, nice looking without bloat.

Re: Name?
by Dittohead on Fri 26th Sep 2003 22:51 UTC

I pronounce is GUH-new.

:)

Sue-zuh

Sue-zee

zue-suh

Zue-zuh

:)

Re: Name?
by Daan on Sun 28th Sep 2003 17:20 UTC

Zuzuh.
Ko-peet.
Ka-Day-Ay
Ikx-Ef-Say-Ay.
And for GNU: Chnü. Dzjnju is a bit weird, IMO.

With XFCE4: Too bad it has a real task bar, now it isn't so CDE anymore :-(

XFce, minimize to desktop
by Art D'Adamo on Wed 1st Oct 2003 16:09 UTC

I find a taskbar useless when there's 15, 20
or more windows open. I use CDE on HP & AIX
and liked XFce 3.0's minimize to desktop
functionality. Can XFce minimize to the desktop?
Can any Linux window's manager?
(Response to email address appreciated.)