Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sun 28th Sep 2003 16:52 UTC
OS/2 and eComStation Warpstock 2003 in San Francisco, taking place the weekend of October 18th, will host an important presentation previewing the newly announced support for OpenOffice.org on OS/2 and eCS. More info.
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by baba on Sun 28th Sep 2003 17:02 UTC

NOW OO is really a good choice ;-)

Interesting to see what Innotek do for OS/2 -> Acrobat, Java142, XFT Mozilla, VPC/2 and now we will see some OO.... NICE!

v os/2 is dead
by Anonymous on Sun 28th Sep 2003 18:57 UTC
RE: fine
by Anonymous on Sun 28th Sep 2003 19:20 UTC

NOW OO is really a good choice ;-)

It still lacks in usability and integration with the different platforms IMO. Ok, fine, MS Office isn't that userfriendly either, given the number of books and classes about word and excell. But, OO should try to be better than MSO, not go for feature parity.

RE: fine
by Bill Lamar on Sun 28th Sep 2003 21:43 UTC

How about instead of complaining about your perceived shortcomings in OpenOffice, you help fix them? OpenOffice is a community effort, and complaining does not solve problems.

Re: fine
by enloop@yahoo.com on Sun 28th Sep 2003 22:21 UTC

>>"How about instead of complaining about your perceived shortcomings in OpenOffice, you help fix them? OpenOffice is a community effort, and complaining does not solve problems."

I often see similar sentiments, and I can't support them. Someone doesn't need to be a developer to legitimately comment on a piece of software. We don't expect anyone to have coding credentials before they critique Microsoft, so why demand that in the open source arena? Unless developers are only developing for each other, they need to pay attention to their customers, even if they aren't selling anything.

What an insane waste of resources and time
by yerma on Sun 28th Sep 2003 22:30 UTC

This is yet another instance of open source idiocy. Imagine how much more progress OO.org could have made towards becoming a usable replacement for Word if, rather than being so wasteful with resources, they had these developers work on something meaningful rather than a port to a nearly deprecated operating system. Give me a break.

RE: What an insane waste of resources and time
by The Lone OSer on Sun 28th Sep 2003 22:48 UTC

Umm, gee, obviously you don't appreciate the good side of Open Source... Where people can port applications to their platform of choice! Remember, Serenity Systems business focus is OS/2, and since they are the one's coming up with the port along with other companies, this is not a "wasted coding effort" as it's a deliberate port by a commercial company to support their own products line.

GREAT
by Dan on Mon 29th Sep 2003 03:46 UTC

I would like to see the AMIGA people do this also.

I've been told a lot of good things about OS2, but does anyone still sell it. I for one am just curious to see what it looks like regardless of how old etc it is.

Cheers

Gordon

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by CooCooCaChoo on Mon 29th Sep 2003 09:39 UTC

RE: enloop@yahoo.com (IP: ---.nc.rr.com) - Posted on 2003-09-28 22:21:25
I often see similar sentiments, and I can't support them. Someone doesn't need to be a developer to legitimately comment on a piece of software. We don't expect anyone to have coding credentials before they critique Microsoft, so why demand that in the open source arena? Unless developers are only developing for each other, they need to pay attention to their customers, even if they aren't selling anything.

The issue is this. With Microsoft, you're stuffed if you don't like it. You don't have access to the source code, you don't have access to the coders and you sure as heck can't vent your individual frustration at the manager in charge of the Office development department.

Ultimately, if you have a problem about OpenOffice.org, there is no use whiging and whining on this forum, subscribe to a mailing list and make a consutructive contribution to the direction of OpenOffice.org.

RE: yerma (IP: ---.net.wisc.edu) - Posted on 2003-09-28 22:30:14
This is yet another instance of open source idiocy. Imagine how much more progress OO.org could have made towards becoming a usable replacement for Word if, rather than being so wasteful with resources, they had these developers work on something meaningful rather than a port to a nearly deprecated operating system. Give me a break.

Using your logic, I think you're wasting your time posting here, you should be on you computer fixing up the Linux kernel code or making MacOS X kernel faster.

If people want to port something to a platform, let them. I personally would love to see OS/2 be given a second birth by someone injecting some much needed money into OS/2 development so that it can be bought up to speed in terms of features, hardware support and software availability.

Unlike Linux, OS/2 is already integrated nicely together. Sure, it is a little backwards in some areas, but overall, the amount of work required to get it up to speed so that it can compete with Windows is a lot less that what one would need to do if one were to get Linux equaling the maturity of MacOS X or Windows.

Gordon Staines (IP: 203.5.59.---) - Posted on 2003-09-29 05:39:18
I've been told a lot of good things about OS2, but does anyone still sell it. I for one am just curious to see what it looks like regardless of how old etc it is.

Goto http://www.ecomstation.com/ which has on the site:

"eComStation 1.1 provides users with a low cost package which includes the most up to date distribution of IBM OS/2 4.52.
Serenity Systems has a track record of delivering product enhancements through its web site. Now, it has released a significant update which existing OS/2 and eComStation users are sure to enjoy, and new users will find to be friendly, easy to install and to use, with the industry's most powerful UI, delivering leading price performance, reliability, stability, and scalability."

Correction
by CooCooCaChoo on Mon 29th Sep 2003 09:41 UTC

RE: yerma (IP: ---.net.wisc.edu) - Posted on 2003-09-28 22:30:14
This is yet another instance of open source idiocy. Imagine how much more progress OO.org could have made towards becoming a usable replacement for Word if, rather than being so wasteful with resources, they had these developers work on something meaningful rather than a port to a nearly deprecated operating system. Give me a break.

Using your logic, I think you're wasting your time posting here, you should be on you computer fixing up the Linux kernel code or making MacOS X kernel faster.

If people want to port something to a platform, let them. I personally would love to see OS/2 be given a second birth by someone injecting some much needed money into OS/2 development so that it can be bought up to speed in terms of features, hardware support and software availability.

Unlike Linux, OS/2 is already integrated nicely together. Sure, it is a little backwards in some areas, but overall, the amount of work required to get it up to speed so that it can compete with Windows is a lot less that what one would need to do if one were to get Linux equaling the maturity of MacOS X or Windows.

Gordon Staines (IP: 203.5.59.---) - Posted on 2003-09-29 05:39:18
I've been told a lot of good things about OS2, but does anyone still sell it. I for one am just curious to see what it looks like regardless of how old etc it is.

Goto http://www.ecomstation.com/ which has on the site:

"eComStation 1.1 provides users with a low cost package which includes the most up to date distribution of IBM OS/2 4.52.
Serenity Systems has a track record of delivering product enhancements through its web site. Now, it has released a significant update which existing OS/2 and eComStation users are sure to enjoy, and new users will find to be friendly, easy to install and to use, with the industry's most powerful UI, delivering leading price performance, reliability, stability, and scalability."

As a user of OS/2 since 1991, and now migrated to eComStation (eCS) v. 1.1. I am amused at the reaction of some when this type of news hits the streets. Comments about the rights of open source community to develope on which ever platform they choose is absolute and correct. OS/2 or eCS is not dead - dispite the efforts of "big blue" - thanks the Serenity Systems new life has been injected into the OS, new ISVs have come on board, old faithfuls have return with renewed vigour. It is a long road, but we resist the people who would do us down.

As for OpenOffice, well the detractors would do well to remember just where OpenOffice came from - OS/2. The original product made in Germany by StarDivision produced "StarOffice" which Sun Microsystems purchased. Windoze variant had already been available for some time - as had others. As you probably are aware Sun still sell StarOffice - it is the commercial version of OpenOffice, with Sun badges etc..

As for Windoze, well where would the windoze community be without IBM & OS/2 - refer to the documented history for details - but IBM provided enormous resources to get Windoze off the ground - without big blue really realising it has to be said.

What did MS do for their part of the relationship. Well they left us with typically buggy code - mainly NetBEUI, & the file system HPFS386.

What OS/2 & eCS have that other Intel OS' do not is desktop stability coupled with application memory management, somethoin

Apologies for the first effort, "phat phingers!!"
As a user of OS/2 since 1991, and now migrated to eComStation (eCS) v. 1.1. I am amused at the reaction of some when this type of news hits the streets. Comments about the rights of open source community to develope on which ever platform they choose is absolute and correct. OS/2 or eCS is not dead - dispite the efforts of "big blue" - thanks the Serenity Systems new life has been injected into the OS, new ISVs have come on board, old faithfuls have return with renewed vigour. It is a long road, but we resist the people who would do us down.

As for OpenOffice, well the detractors would do well to remember just where OpenOffice came from - OS/2. The original product made in Germany by StarDivision produced "StarOffice" which Sun Microsystems purchased. Windoze variant had already been available for some time - as had others. As you probably are aware Sun still sell StarOffice - it is the commercial version of OpenOffice, with Sun badges etc..

As for Windoze, well where would the windoze community be without IBM & OS/2 - refer to the documented history for details - but IBM provided enormous resources to get Windoze off the ground - without big blue really realising it has to be said.

What did MS do for their part of the relationship. Well they left us with typically buggy code - mainly NetBEUI, & the file system HPFS386.

What OS/2 & eCS have that other Intel OS' do not is desktop stability coupled with application memory management, something that windoze users still dream of

if OS/2 is dead...
by bagdad bob on Mon 29th Sep 2003 13:38 UTC

I recently had to dust off my old copies of OS/2 and install them again in order to do a project with a major auto manufactor's call center. The system is OS/2 Warp 4 connecting to host systems using Communication Manager 2 and connecting to intranet web pages (for FAQ and call tracking) using Netscape 4.61.

I've heard many predictions that Linux will make its break through on the desktop via call centers. In fact, OS/2 is even more suited to make a comeback through this route due to its fantastic host connection suites.

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by Emperor on Thu 2nd Oct 2003 21:49 UTC

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