Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 29th Sep 2003 07:35 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE SuSE Linux announced today that it will release SuSE Linux 9.0 on October 24. The latest version of the company's home user operating system will be the first to support AMD's Athlon 64 CPU, and will include a test version of the 2.6 Linux kernel, according to Holger Dyroff, SuSE's GM, Americas.
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we'll see..
by Scythe on Mon 29th Sep 2003 07:54 UTC

Very nice. Can't wait to see some screenshots and people's first impressions. Just hope they didnt use the 2.6 kernel too much as a franchise and give users a unstable system in the end. We'll see....

RE: SuSE Linux 9.0 Coming Next Month
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Sep 2003 08:05 UTC

I guess the 2.6 kernel is just an optional alternative for a stable 2.4.x kernel.

Good
by totothemacho on Mon 29th Sep 2003 08:11 UTC

What about Star office 7 ? Sun uses the SuSE distro to make business. Why SuSe don't provide Star Office 7 for its customers ?

RE: Good
by Matthew Baulch on Mon 29th Sep 2003 08:32 UTC

> Why SuSe don't provide Star Office 7 for its customers ?
They do in SuSE Linux Desktop, an edition of SuSE Linux targetted mainly at businesses:

http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/sld/

RE : RE : Good
by totothemacho on Mon 29th Sep 2003 08:38 UTC

SuSE Linux Desktop costs 129$

Sun Java Desktop costs 99$

Sun Java Desktop is based on SuSE 8.2

Why Sun does not provide Star Office 7 to SuSE for free since Sun does not pay to dozen developpers to build its own distro, thanks to SuSE ?

RE:RE : RE : Good
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Sep 2003 08:54 UTC

"SuSE Linux Desktop costs 129$

Sun Java Desktop costs 99$

Sun Java Desktop is based on SuSE 8.2

Why Sun does not provide Star Office 7 to SuSE for free since Sun does not pay to dozen developpers to build its own distro, thanks to SuSE ?"

Suse will sell you one copy of its Linux - Sun a minimum of 1000 copies. It is called bulk discounts.

Any Screenshots available?
by Tom on Mon 29th Sep 2003 09:25 UTC

Already some screenshots of 9.0 series desktop on the web available? The 8.x series was quite overloaded. :-I

RE : Any Screenshots available?
by totothemacho on Mon 29th Sep 2003 09:37 UTC

No screenshot available.
I am seeking on the SuSE Website, no information

Download edition
by Jozan on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:01 UTC

Since this thing is GPLed, are there any efforts to fork and provide isos? I'm not paying SuSE for Free Software, and I don't need their support, but I want to try the distro out.

updated logo
by janlul on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:03 UTC

Heh, just noticed on www.suse.com the site was updated and it contains a new logo.. looks nicer imho.

Re : Download Edition
by totothemacho on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:06 UTC

You are not paying for free software, and you probably buy Xbox, Windows Games, and other proprietary stuffs.
Let me say to you one thing : I prefer paying 80$ to Redhat or SuSE and contribute as far as I can to the Free Software instead of buying Windows stuffs and whinning for Free Linux products whithout paying anything !

RE: Anonymous (IP: ---.tpgi.com.au) - Posted on 2003-09-29 08:54:14
by CooCooCaChoo on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:17 UTC

Suse will sell you one copy of its Linux - Sun a minimum of 1000 copies. It is called bulk discounts.

Its not a 1000 copies. SUN is going to sell the licenses in lots of 100. Businesses who have less than 1000 clients will deal with SUN's partners where as those who have more than 1000 will deal directly with SUN.

The difference is that the SUN distribution has a longer release cycle when compared to the enthusiast edition which is refreshed every 6 months.

Re: totothemacho
by Jozan on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:31 UTC

I said nothing about Windows. I said I will not pay SuSE for Free Software: for example, 90% of the software in suse was developed for free by some random hacker. And no I don't buy "Windows Stuffs", I use debian. The main cost with SuSE is the support.

It's still free.
by xenix on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:41 UTC

Everyone knows how a tire for a car looks like. So if you want and have the resources, you can make your own tires for your car, but I would rather trust a professional tire company to make me good tires then trusting my own sloppy tires. So if we stopped paying for distro's I think development would slow down and get to advanced for new users. Distro's like Red Hat and Suse make it easy for new users to start using linux.

RE: Download Edition
by Somewhere on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:50 UTC

>>I'm not paying SuSE for Free Software, and I don't need their support, but I want to try the distro out.<<

Umh, i am no friend of SuSE either, but that's a ridiculous statement because SuSE provides a FTP server from which you can install. Granted, there are no ISOs but i guess that's a legitimate way to reduce the amount of "freeloading". Look at Mandrake and what good it does to them. BTW, charging for your software and services is completly within the bounds of the GPL (the most often used free license. Please, BSD crowd, don't start a flame about free on this behalf!) The customer has the choice then to give the software away for free (beer).


PS: Are there any good words for "you get it for free" in english? Like "umsonst" or "kostenlos" in german?

Re Download Edition
by Cyty on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:53 UTC

"Since this thing is GPLed, are there any efforts to fork and provide isos? I'm not paying SuSE for Free Software, and I don't need their support, but I want to try the distro out."

ftp install or Suse Live Cd

RE: Download Edition
by Peter Hoeg on Mon 29th Sep 2003 10:57 UTC

"you get it for free" = gratis?

Re: Cyty
by Jozan on Mon 29th Sep 2003 11:02 UTC

Thanks for the info, but ftp installs are no good over slow links, and I don't want crippleware, which I understand the live cd is (please correct me if this is wrong). So there are no ISOs provided by a 3rd party?

RE: Screenshots of, er, the boxes
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Sep 2003 11:08 UTC

Did anyone saw this? On the SuSe 9 package they write "Windows-kompatibel" (In English: Compatible with Windows)? Do they mean WINE? That is hardly Windows compatible.

RE: "you get it for free" = gratis?
by Somewhere on Mon 29th Sep 2003 11:09 UTC

Ahh, of course. Thanks.

@ Josan
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Sep 2003 11:11 UTC

You can download the 8.2 branch of the FTP entirely or minus the sources, which makes it about 3 GB and keep it on a 2nd partition on your drive. Then you can install off that partition. This is no hassle, you can choose the HD as install source in YAST. Download-time-wise this is no more or less than the ISOs. You can keep it on your LAN and install from there, which is what I do. I have RARed up the whole thing onto CDs as backup. So I can always unRAR it to disk again. Actually, I much prefer this because I hate swapping CDs all the time.

Pay for SuSe
by Christoph on Mon 29th Sep 2003 11:12 UTC

I have no problem to pay 50 euro for an update. SuSE is the only linux distrubtion, which supports all the hardware of my laptop by default. ACPI, Atmel based wlan pcmcia card, etc. Also the have the best online support-database from their website.
And SuSE's KDE seems to be mutch faster then the redhat ones.
In my opinion one big problem is, that every want to have it free. If the software is good, why don't pay for it. I would like some see major commercial applications ported to linux.

Overloaded
by Nolridor on Mon 29th Sep 2003 11:25 UTC

Suse is a nice distro ihmo with only one drawback. It's hopelessly overloaded. I don't need 7 different pices of software doing the same thing. It's nice to have choices, but Suse offers to much. Either they stick to a small palett of well chosen applications or they redesign their software installation manager.

Re: Cyty
by Wee Jin Goh on Mon 29th Sep 2003 11:33 UTC

http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=2 the SuSE Live CDs, which allow your to test out the OS.

Like 8.2, Will Probably Move to 9.0
by enloop on Mon 29th Sep 2003 11:58 UTC

Although I bought 8.2 just a few weeks ago, it has impressed me enough that I'll likely upgrade quickly to 9.0. Here's what I, as a desktop user, like about 8.2:

-- YAST2 is an effective and comprehensible admin tool;
-- Option for an online update during the install;
-- The update automagically sensed my Athlon CPU and installed an Athlon kernel. (OTOH, it didn't offer me a chance to say "no thanks".)
-- Option to install MS core webfonts during system update;
-- The usual few zillion SuSe package offerings;
-- Superb manuals with the Professional version -- 900 pabes of good stuff. The best I've seen in the Linux arena. Even if you know Linux, the manuals document what SuSe's done with it.

What I don't like:

--Lack of a current version of Mozilla; Konqueror is OK, but...
--occasional tangled web of dependencies woven by RPM; it's getting better, but still vety annoying.

What I like and dislike from SuSE
by totothemacho on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:11 UTC

I currently use SuSE 8.0 and I am willing to update my distro.
What I like :
-> Good documentation
-> YaST 2 (enven if some tools are missing in 8.0, like USB recongnition, Joystick detector and calibrator, DNS configuration, FireWire recognition...)
-> LSB compliance
-> Optimized KDE and Kernel (I am amazed that SuSE provide KDE 3.1.x to SuSE 8.0 users)
-> YOU

What I dislike :
-> Very frustrating to see that SuSE and Redhat are in some way differents (Hard to install dia and Gnome on SuSE 8.0 from source since these projects are based on Redhat)
-> No support from upgrading from 8.0 to 9.0 (I have to do a fresh install. Why not provide better capability to update its product as Microsoft does ?)
-> No French translation for the documentation
-> Support (goor mailing list, but support sucks : they don't provide any information when we get some difficulties in getting our printer to work)
-> No tool to ease the management of an heterogeneous network


I will probably buy it. If this product bothers me, I will switch to Redhat

RE: Screenshots of, er, the boxes
by Bryan Feeney on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:13 UTC

Windows compatible probably means that it will set up mountpoints for FAT partitions so you can read/write.

SuSE being SuSE, I'd imagine Wine is stuffed in there somewhere, but I don't think they've set up file associations to start wine for .exe files.

SuSE Linux desktop and SuSE Office desktop have CrossOver Office, which is a bit further down the road of Windows compatibility. I think they're around 130

RE: Download edition
by null_pointer_us on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:22 UTC

Since this thing is GPLed, are there any efforts to fork and provide isos? I'm not paying SuSE for Free Software, and I don't need their support, but I want to try the distro out.

When you pay for a Linux distribution, you are paying for a service and not necessarily the code itself. It takes a lot of hard work to bundle together thousands of free software projects into a coherent system. Everything has to be tested thoroughly; package maintainers need to be contacted for the bug fixes and new features that the distro's users will want; code contributions need to be made to the various free software packages; a legal team needs to handle branding and keep abreast of legal issues such as patents; web servers have to be paid for and maintained; web sites, distro artwork, etc. need to be designed; documentation has to be written; new projects need to be funded; business deals need to be negotiated to sell large quantities to businesses, educational facilities, and so on.

Another thing about SuSE...
by Greg on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:24 UTC

Remember, SaX and YaST* are proprietary. So no system tools in any fork.

Re : Download edition ( totothemacho )
by Andrew McCall on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:26 UTC

This is an absurd comment. Firstly your not paying for "free software" your paying for the time, effort, support and engineering skills that SuSE put into packaging up free software into an easy-to-use Linux distribution, you will also get a great bundle of manuals and CD's along with some nice Linux stickers and maybe even a SuSE pin-badge too. Your paying for the resources that SuSE puts into developing end user tools such as YaST2 so fools like you can actually use Linux, tools that help Linux evolve from a Geek or Server OS into a desktop OS that's accessible for everyone.

Yes, Linux is free, as are the GNU tools that turn it into a great OS, so if you want a totally free Linux, use Gentoo, Debian, Slackware, LFS or something that doesn't ask for money - but don't dare complain that Linux is hard to use.

If you want a quick-and-easy Linux with some great admin tools, pay for the development costs via buying a distribution such as SuSE, RedHat, Lycoris or Lindows.com.

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Holger Dyroff's statements
by Roberto J. Dohnert on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:27 UTC

I do agree with Holger Dyroff at work my developers still run SuSE 8.0 and 8.1 and most of my Red Hat deployments are still Red Hat 8.0, we ussually upgrade adter 3 releases, but with Red Hats recent move we may just go ahead and go with SuSE full time and cater the LSB to our needs. As with beta software, I especially dont like having to use test versions of any kernel in production, now we do have engineers that do kernel level development and they do the testing and we do have some on 2.6 already. For home use I do use Red Hat 9 and SuSE 8.2, I look forward to 9.0 and hopefully it will be a good release.

SUSE 8.2 & wine
by peragrin on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:38 UTC

I haven't checked out 9.0 yet. but my FTP install of 8.2 has wine partially configured. double clicking on an exe file starts wine which starts the intial configuration.

Re: Re : Download edition ( totothemacho )
by Victor on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:45 UTC

If you want a quick-and-easy Linux with some great admin tools, pay for the development costs via buying a distribution such as SuSE, RedHat, Lycoris or Lindows.com.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't RedHat make their ISO's available for free?

Victor.

Newsforge story removed?
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Sep 2003 12:57 UTC

The original (and linked) Newsforge story was removed?

slightly odd....
by gromit on Mon 29th Sep 2003 13:08 UTC

....that such a KDE-based distro doesn't hang on for 3.2 before upgrading to a new version number.

Mad Penguin has screen shots
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Sep 2003 13:16 UTC
Pretty cool...
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Sep 2003 13:25 UTC

configuring all this server stuff from within YAST.

Can't wait to order it
by Jasem Mutlaq on Mon 29th Sep 2003 18:19 UTC

I've been using SuSE since 7.2 and it's such an impressive distro. The only issue I had was with YaST Online Update (YOU) but that was fixed in 8.2, 9.0 does look pretty impressive, even though it would be nicer if they waited for KDE 3.2 to come out!


Wine
by Aki on Mon 29th Sep 2003 18:36 UTC

SuSE being SuSE, I'd imagine Wine is stuffed in there somewhere, but I don't think they've set up file associations to start wine for .exe files.

Yes, they have. They did that already in 8.2 and it works beautifully (as far as Wine itself works).

RE: slightly odd....
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Sep 2003 20:25 UTC

"....that such a KDE-based distro doesn't hang on for 3.2 before upgrading to a new version number."

The have good service and you will be able to upgrade to KDE 3.2 when it will be released. See

http://suse.de/en/private/download/linuks/index.html

gromit
by Alex on Mon 29th Sep 2003 22:13 UTC

It's not odd at all,w hy would SuSE wait until mid December or early next year for the next KDE? That would take too long and everyone who is buying a new distro in october will chose something other than SuSE.

Anyway, The 2004 release will truly make Linux a great desktop, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.6, GIMP 2, GNOME Office, Xfree 4.4, kernel 2.6, need I say more?

Re: Jozan
by jgisclon on Tue 30th Sep 2003 02:34 UTC

Thanks for the info, but ftp installs are no good over slow links, and I don't want crippleware...

Hence distro vendors like SuSE provide a service for narrowband folks by selling CD sets, which, I understand, is one reason that SuSE sells well in Europe where telco charges are high.

There's nothing in the GPL saying Linux vendors have to provide free-as-in-beer isos to the public. Red Hat does so because their revenue model is based on corporate support contracts--which explains why they are discontinuing boxed CD sets. Look where proividing free isos has financially gotten smaller distros that rely on product sales like Mandrake--nowhere. Slackware can get away with it because of extremely low overhead and a fanatical user base that financially supports the distro by buying from the Slack store even if they don't need the CDs.