The first release of the Syllable 0.5 development series has been released. The Changelog lists a huge number of changes, notably the inclusion of the new Media Framework, USB support and yet more new drivers. If you are upgrading from Syllable 0.4.5, then you must ensure that you read the upgrade notes.
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Did he upgrade the gui, I couldn't find the answer in the changelogs 
It seemed to install okay, but it freezes when I try to install grub. I've got it set up so that bootman is the main bootloader on the primary master's mbr, and syllable is on /dev/disk/ide/hdc/0, so that the root line of the grub config file should read
root(hd2,0)
an I can set up bootman to chainload Syllable, correct? Am I doing something wrong? I really, really dislike grub. Overcomplicated, just like lilo. That, of course, is my own opinion, you are welcome to yours, and I don't wish to argue.
Awesome job Syllable team! I truly think this is worthy of a .50 release. How's SylSec coming?
SylSec should have a prototype implementation out in late November or early December. It's a little out of sync with the actual Syllable tree at the moment and needs to be brought up to 0.5 (to take advantage of a couple of needed additions and to prevent too much "drift"), but otherwise it's functional.
Your device being (hd2,0) depends on how many harddisks are in your system. If you have only one disk at hdc, that would still be hd0 as far as grub is concerned. So if hdc is really your third disk than you chose the right disk...
Grub uses an HD counting system like your BIOS does. The first disk recognized by your bios would be hd0.
Takes a while to get used to it... Its GNU tho, so you have to expect "over-engineering," look at emacs (The why not play tetris text editor
Yes, you can. Be sure to properly install GRUB on the Syllable partition. It's an extra step, IIRC, entering the GRUB command-line and issuing 'root' and 'setup' commands. Read the install readme. It's similar in idea to what BeOS' makebootable does.
I upgraded my Syllable and now it doesn't boot because of the new USB stack (I have a plain Intel BX mobo on dual celerons). I had to boot to BeOS, install the AtheOS-FS filesystem addon, mount my AtheOS partition, remove the USB driver and then reboot to Syllable!
After it rebooted successfully with USB disabled, I got a new problem: there is a new bug in the network configuration and if you are not on DHCP, it won't load the gateway IP address, so you can't browse the internet (the eth0 is up and ping works in the internal network). Using "route" or "ifconfig" doesn't help and the preference panel for networking just doesn't do the job (the ifconfig doesn't "listen" to it).
I hope Vanders provides a patch about the second problem ASAP and the person who wrote the USB stack make a bit more debugging on more Intel mobos.
O.K, I understand the bug now. I'll investigate; I did re-write sections of Network Preferences so it looks like I knackered something. Shouldn't take me long to fix.
The person who wrote the USB stuff is Arno, and given the huge amount of code he's written and ported (In 0.5.0 alone!) I think he's allowed one major bug out of several tens of thousands of lines of code
his patches were tens of thousands of lines of code? whoa
I had exactly the same problems, but I just disabled "OnBoard USB" in the BIOS and Syllable bootet fine...But I wasn't able to set up the Network...
Regards
Andreas
-A
PS:Wanna seeeee this fixed!
I think I'll wait for Vanders to swat those bugs and then I'll send the good man the money for the CD . Again.
In the recent poll about Hobby OSes, I voted for Syllable.
* It works now
* POSIX support is extensive
* It's open source
* Major applications are already written or ported: web browser, apache, python, perl
* It has many of the features people praised in BeOS: journaling FS, attributes, threading, similar api
What it needs:
* More drivers
* More mature desktop environment
* More applications
It was down to SkyOS and Syllable for me, but I chose Syllable because I've actually used it while I have only watched SkyOS development from afar (which is stunning to see). I think the open source licensing of Syllable made it more appealing to me, though I wish it was MIT and not GPL.
