Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 26th Feb 2004 19:21 UTC, submitted by hN
OpenStep, GNUstep A Morphix-based GNUstep live CD has been released for i386. It includes many GS apps, such as MPlayer (GS port), GWorkspace, Preview, GNUmail, ProjectCenter and many more. It can be installed to a hard drive.
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HELL YEAH!
by Hank on Thu 26th Feb 2004 20:29 UTC

The closest thing to YellowBox that exists in the world!

Nice
by David on Thu 26th Feb 2004 21:55 UTC

Going to give it a test sping when I get home. Still dont't like the GUI though, really. Just my personal opinion, not based on any facts at all, so NO FLAMING! Maybe, just maybe, someone might be able to do something with it. Maybe that Rhaposdy look, or something, like was being tossed around on an other thread a few days ago. It is just way too blocky and dark. Still will give it a try and see how it feels. Great job to all involved.

Themes
by anon on Thu 26th Feb 2004 21:59 UTC

The GNUstep team is working on theme support, so your not stuck with the 16 year old NeXT look.

Re: Themes
by David on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:06 UTC

Cool, very cool. I will have to give this some serious looking at then.

Finally released :-)
by neojelek on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:06 UTC

i was wait for it from longtime... i saw NextStep running some years ago on an x86 machine and fall in love for it (the system, not the machine) :p
i just begin to try it and my first feelings are good ;) i will resume tommorow more in depth... time to go bed now ;)
By the way, this release is a Morphix-based distro.

Meh
by Kingston on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:14 UTC

I think I'd rather just buy a Mac myself, but it's cool that Linux has the option though, as I've found OpenStep to be a wonderful environment.

"The 16 year old NeXT look"
by -=StephenB=- on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:15 UTC

I dunno, if anything I think the NeXT aesthetics have stood the test of time a whole lot better than (say) the Amiga UI - and probably will stand the test of time better than garbage like Luna.

re. 16 year-old NeXT look
by johnMG on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:23 UTC

You know what would be cool and ironic? If they could theme this GNUstep desktop to look just like OS 9 Platinum. ;) I do *not* like Aqua.

GNUstep look
by Nicolas Roard on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:37 UTC

Effectively, themes are in the work. I am currently working on this one http://www.roard.com/screenshots/screenshot_theme26.png -- tell me what you think about it. Else I tested this live cd a few days ago, and it's quite interesting :-) (the version I tested had some minor problem that should be resolved with the current one).

Ah and for thoses interested, see a screenshot of GNUMail under ... Windows : http://sophos.ca/~ludovic/winstep3.jpg .

Re: GNUstep look
by David on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:41 UTC

Nicer, but still too blocky, at least for me.

@ johnMB RE: os9
by Gareth on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:44 UTC

YES YES YES!!! You took the words outta my mouth! ;) ))))

the surprising thing is that i bought a 2nd hand mac because i liked the look of osx (the features mostly) but i couldnt afford the osx upgrade for about two months after owning the mac. buy that time i grew to love the os9 interface and when i upgraded hated using the osx interface from day to day (still do... im back on winxp at work and osx at home)


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@Nicolas Roard
by Gareth on Thu 26th Feb 2004 22:45 UTC

nice theme ;) keep up the good work

Themes
by Chris on Thu 26th Feb 2004 23:08 UTC

Frankly I personally do not understand what the "thing" about theming is all about.

That said, there's http://www.roard.com/camaelon/ a theming engine for GNUstep, as well as http://www.cc.utah.edu/~msh3/WildMenus-0.05.tgz -- a patch that will let you use horizontal menus: http://www.roard.com/screenshots/screenshot_theme24.png

Woohoo! Great job!
by jim on Fri 27th Feb 2004 00:33 UTC

Kudos to the GNUStep guys for this!
I see the Win32 screen shot - does anyone know if the Win32 port is actually stable? I had heard that it was really buggy still?
I'm looking forward to making this my default linux setup

Tried it out
by DFergATL on Fri 27th Feb 2004 02:20 UTC

I really liked it. It was surprisingly responsive, then I loded it into Ram, that was great. Needs more apps, go figure. I know it is installable to HD but couldn't find an instller once I was in it. Tried to play a CD but that did seem to work either. It could just be that I am very unfamilur with it though. Also, couldn't find docs on "how to use", lots on how to write software, thats good. Can't wait to see how this goes. Again, nice responsiveness. I didn't like how the menus were horizontal though, would prefer more "Mac Like" in that area. Geat job though, reall great!! Everyone should give it a go!!

Horizontal Menus!
by opa on Fri 27th Feb 2004 03:05 UTC

Wow! That screenshot Chris linked to is very, very cool. Knowing that the themability allows for the menu bar to be placed horizontally makes me very happy ;) . GNUstep is looking more and more like the third real desktop option for GNU/Linux (and I suppose UNIX in general). It is just a shame there aren't that many open source Cocoa apps to be ported over.

Window Manager and Workspace intergration
by William Ray Barker on Fri 27th Feb 2004 07:10 UTC

My only problem with GNUStep was, I didn't feel they was doing there job to clone GNUstep with the Workspace and Window Manager. The applications are great clones great applications for any *step system. But the Workspace is just an application and Window Maker is just a desktop enviornment. They either need to make there own desktop enviornment that gives you the feel of OpenSTEP or make some background application that works the way it should have worked with logout, and whatever else is suppose to be on there from the OpenSTEP world. I dont like the feeling of I'm using WindowMaker then out of no where I run a GNUStep program and I feel like I'm using OpenSTEP then I close that program and I'm back to WindowMaker.

themes?
by Richard Spindler on Fri 27th Feb 2004 11:41 UTC

Well, I do like the GNUstep Default Theme.

It feels very "solid", no redraw glitches, no pixelerrors, etc...

mac users
by z1xq on Fri 27th Feb 2004 13:25 UTC

All you Mac users that would like to develop a Linux app should jump on this as the development environment GORM is a clone of the Mac IDE just not a pretty. Seems to work the same, and I understand that it can do cross platform work with Mac code. Excepting Carbon and Cocoa.

Re: Horizontal Menus!
by Chris on Fri 27th Feb 2004 15:44 UTC

the third real desktop option for GNU/Linux (and I suppose UNIX in general)

Most run GNUstep on Linux, true, but there are some "weirdos" (I'm among those) that run it off Free/Open/NetBSD, Solaris and/or even Darwin.

Re: Window Manager and Workspace intergration
by Chris on Fri 27th Feb 2004 15:45 UTC

But the Workspace is just an application and Window Maker is just a desktop enviornment. They either need to make there own desktop enviornment that gives you the feel of OpenSTEP

We are working on that.

The Main Point
by z1xq on Fri 27th Feb 2004 15:51 UTC

The thing that people should keep in mind that this is primarily a development environment not eyecandy. If you don't care about Gorm just use Windowmaker on your standard distribution.

Re: The Main Point
by Nicolas Roard on Fri 27th Feb 2004 16:51 UTC

Well, not exactly -- WindowMaker is NOT a desktop, but a window manager for X which happend to have a similar look as NeXTSTEP. GNUstep is not a desktop either, it's a development environment with incredibly powerful tools. But if you use GNUstep _applications_, they could form a desktop. There is a specific project for creating a desktop using gnustep : http://www.nongnu.org/backbone/

Linux is better
by not great on Fri 27th Feb 2004 18:16 UTC

Why bother...

Simply GNUstep is better (linux kernel)

I see all these OS relics... BE OS, Nextstep, Rhapsody, Amiga...

...wanting to come back

Why? stick with LINUX, WIN or OS X.

THere is more support, apps, and users.

unless you like using crappy apps, and thinkering more than being productive...

Re: Linux is better
by Chris on Fri 27th Feb 2004 19:20 UTC

Simply GNUstep is better (linux kernel)

Uhm, excuse me, but last time I checked, Morphix was based on Debian and Knoppix, which, as you may know too have a Linux kernel.

I see all these OS relics... BE OS, Nextstep, Rhapsody, Amiga [...] unless you like using crappy apps [...]

You obviously never used NeXT or OPENSTEP...

Distributions??
by David on Fri 27th Feb 2004 20:39 UTC

Are they any current distribuions based on this? The closeted I can seem to find is GNU-Darwin. But to say that it doesn't seem to be user/install friendy would be an understatment. There seems to be lots of different versions of "Devlopement Platforms" but no actuall complete OS, Linux based or otherwise. Is there one?

P.S. I did find something called "LinuxStep" that has been discontinued and seems to have been what I am looking for. The other is "Backbone" but is way, way far from being useful and doesn't seem to be aiming for a "complete" OS.

Re: Distributions
by Chris on Fri 27th Feb 2004 21:12 UTC

LinuxStep was discontinued due to lack of time, as far as I recall.

Backbone is no distribution but a collection of Frameworks (libraries) and Applications, tightly integrated to crate a Desktop.

What you're looking for would be http://simplygnustep.com/

There's also some talk about a "distribution" based on Darwin, but nothing tangible yet.

Re: Distributions
by David on Fri 27th Feb 2004 21:36 UTC

Thanks, I just found it. I subscirbed to the mailing list so that I can keep an eye on how it goes.

No Web Browser?
by Pocomo on Fri 27th Feb 2004 22:11 UTC

IS it just me, or is there no web browser included on this LiveCD?

If there is, I couldn't find it.

What's the point of releasing a Linux-based LiveCD that doesn't include a web browser?

Anyone figured out how to install it?
by marduk on Fri 27th Feb 2004 23:51 UTC

I issued the command, but nothing seems to happen. Anyone succsessfully installed it?

Re: No Web Browser?
by Andrew on Sat 28th Feb 2004 09:22 UTC

According to the website, it includes "InternetBrowser". This program was announced on OSNews when it was first released: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5923

InternetBrowser
by Gürkan on Sat 28th Feb 2004 10:33 UTC

Ahm that is work in progress, the browser works, but the latest CVS version of GNUstep is not yet released as tarballs, and therefore not yet in Debian. The Browser needs a bit more work too. That means it will be included in some next release. Thank you for your patience. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Re: No Web Browser
by Pocomo on Sun 29th Feb 2004 23:33 UTC

I wasn't trying to say that GnuStep must include it's own web browser to be useful; keeping such a program up to date and functional across a wide array of modern websites is an enormous undertaking.

Is it possible to include a stock mozilla variant (FireFox) on the cd, even though it isn't faithful to the 'look'? At least people would benefit from all of the other GnuStep apps.