Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 27th Aug 2001 00:17 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Most of the big BeOS news sites are down (mostly server hardware failures), so OSNews is taking the initiative to publish an all-around BeOS news article. First of all, a whole lot of nice software has been released on BeBits recently. Sequitur 2.0 is here, Palm Reflections, i.Scribe and even a new version of OpenTracker. Ubix.org is reporting that Apacabar is selling out its BeOS-related software, offering among others, BeOS 5 Pro and even T-Racks ($299 original price) for 99 French Franks (about $13 USD) each. I sent to Palm's CEO, Mr. Carl Yankowski, 5 questions for a mini-interview (questions that most BeOS users have in their mind these days), but instead, Marlene Somsak, Senior Director at Palm, replied:
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Bummer
by mechman on Mon 27th Aug 2001 03:20 UTC

It seems Palm has no time for BeOS. Of course this is just what I read out of it. Draw your own conclusions. Hopefully they'll let someone take it over. Still sad, mechman

Thanks
by moooooooo on Mon 27th Aug 2001 05:11 UTC

Eugenia, thanks for keeping us informed while those sites are down. I think Palm will surprise us very soon, but of course i am holding on to the last of my optimism! I like the layout of your site: precise and concise. The icons make it easy to see what the story is at a glance. Keep up the good work! cheers peter

Re: Thanks
by Eugenia on Mon 27th Aug 2001 05:20 UTC

Thank you too Peter! ;)

Too early to tell
by Mike Crosland on Mon 27th Aug 2001 11:37 UTC

I still think it's way too early to say what's going to happen. As things stand, the deal has yet to be completed, so there'll certainly be no announcements until that happens, plus there's obviously going to be a lot of work needed to get the necessary re-structuring underway before they can even think about future strategy vis-a-vis the BeOS. As usual we just have to be patient.

Apacabar new prices?
by ckristian on Mon 27th Aug 2001 13:02 UTC

BeOS 5 Pro and even T-Racks ($299 original price) for 99 French Franks (about $13 USD) each ? where is the link ? on the website I still see other prices

Amazing ...
by arougthopher on Mon 27th Aug 2001 13:34 UTC

Even though the Be engineers say that there is a lot of work to be done on BeOS, and a lot of bugs to fix, it still is more stable that windoze. That fact alone is what keeps me with the BeOS! -arougthopher

T-Racks for $13
by Kartoffel on Mon 27th Aug 2001 14:56 UTC

That's a killer discount. I still keep BeOS around and the full version of <a href="http://www.apacabar.fr/cat/produit.asp?code=TRK">T-Racks</a&... would be fun to have, especially at such a low price. <p>If anyone's interested, Apacabar has also discounted GrooveMaker for $54 instead of $96.

by stew on Mon 27th Aug 2001 10:28 UTC

I couldn't find that prices on neither Apacabar's nor Softline's web pages. I wrote an email to softline asking for the prices, but I got no respnse so far.

Hmm is the version in French?
by James on Mon 27th Aug 2001 10:47 UTC

I wonder if the discounted versions of BeOS and T-Racks are in French. It would be cool to pick up a pro mastering program for pocket change, but to use it in French. Then again, it would force me to learn the language, which would be a good thing.

Blue OS?
by Skiver on Mon 27th Aug 2001 10:51 UTC

You didn't mention Blue OS. Skiver

Re: Blue OS?
by Eugenia on Mon 27th Aug 2001 11:40 UTC

I mentioned BlueOS a week ago, in my previous BeOS-related article.

Palm's indepentent Software group
by h_ank on Mon 27th Aug 2001 11:54 UTC

http://news.excite.com/news/r/010827/10/business-tech-palm-dc Palm's hardware and software groups will be splitting "one focused on platform software and licensing, the other on hardware and software handheld solutions" Well they already own the best consumer, desktop OS around. In order to spread their potential market, it could be in thier best interests to feel out where Be Tech could take them. I don't know anyone who wouldn't lust after an Aura system like what was demonstrated so many months ago...

How important is binary compatibility?
by Emagin on Tue 28th Aug 2001 03:17 UTC

Just how important is binary compatibility? When one speaks of binary compatibility with R5, are they talking about system stuff? If it is about user applications, all it would take is the author to compile and post somewhere. What am I missing?

Re:How important is binary compatibility?
by vlad on Tue 28th Aug 2001 03:59 UTC

I think you're missing some quite large software products. Not all software that was written for BeOS is/was Open Sourced. Having binary compatibility will give developpers some control over their IP. Take for example, Gobe Productive. Or some high quality game. I doubt that Gobe will go Open Source or will spend time and efforts to recompile their product for another niche OS. Bottom line - there are good apps written for BeOS and having compatibilty layer will help NewOS to get off the ground faster.

BeOS is Open for Discussion?!
by CattBeMac on Tue 28th Aug 2001 04:58 UTC

Here is my take on the whole situation... maybe it is not sensible, but possible?! Anyways I have been dwelling on this whole thing and thinking of what BeFAQs will be presenting to Palm in the proposal. The way I see it Palm is not going to want to spend lots of money on development for BeOS itself and/or even the man hours beign that PalmOS is the priority. I have been looking into the OpenBeOS and trying to come to terms if it will be viable or not and here is my conclusion. I think one of the best open source movements other than Linux is Mozilla/Netscape... alot of BeOS users are concerned that if BeOS was to get open sourced it would fall apart due to anarchy in the community being not so controlled development environment. Now has this kind of concept hurt the Linux foundation?... NO, but it also hasn't helped it either. At least with the Mozilla and Netscape relationship the Mozilla side being open sourced and Netscape being the final product you get best of both worlds. If the OpenBeOS team was to get OpenBeOS as close to be savvy as possible then all the open source people could enhance and further develop BeOS using OpenBeOS as the foundation or test dummy and the enhances and development that are approved could be pushed over to Palm to implement to BeOS after careful inspection. At least the open source wouldn't get out of hand and Palm wouldn't have to spend money and man hours developing and enhancing BeOS on its own. Also I imagine Palm probably does not want to sell BeOS from their own marketing point of view so why not let Gobe keep the usual distribution license and everybody is happy... well as long as Gobe wants to keep marketing and selling BeOS that is. I wanted to send these thoughts to BeFAQs, but the site has been down awhile so hopefully somebody might pick it up here... any takers? Well I hope all this made sense and maybe somebody out there could add to the idea and go from there. Good luck!!

Special Prices !
by Apacabar (Sébastien Monneret) on Wed 29th Aug 2001 16:03 UTC

As we don't really know how the future will be, we had just decided to propose you amazing prices. This offer is exclusively available from the retailers called SoffLine in France for everybody interested in the world. As our webmaster is on holidays, the web site (http://www.softline.fr/) has not been updated with new prices. Meanwhile, we suggest you to order quickly by email, by contacting M. Sylvain Todeschini who's in charge of International Sales stodeschini@apacabar.fr Please not that : 1/ Here's the new list price in euros available only until the 31th of october 2001 and in the limit of available stock. (VAT excluded) 2/ American Express are not accepted. 3/ These offers are available in french version too if you like. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- SPECIAL PRICES PS : if you want to know how much Euros represent in your own money, enter the prices here : http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - BeOS 5 Pro Edition US version* : 12,62 euros instead of 34.41 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 15.24 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 24.39 Euros (FEDEX) / ZONE 3* : 22.87 Euros - BeOS 5 Pro Edition US update from 4.5* : 12,62 euros instead of 31.87 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 15.24 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 24.39 Euros (FEDEX) / ZONE 3* : 22.87 Euros - BeOS 5 Pro Edition US OEM version* : 12,62 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 15.24 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 24.39 Euros (FEDEX) / ZONE 3* : 22.87 Euros - Gobe Productive 2.0. US version* : 25.37 euros instead of 89.94 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 15.24 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 24.39 Euros (FEDEX) / ZONE 3* : 22.87 Euros - GrooveMaker DJ Box US version* : 49.71 euros instead of 129,95 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 15.24 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 24.39 Euros (FEDEX) / ZONE 3* : 22.87 Euros - T-RackS 1.1 BeOS Version US version* : 12,62 instead of 272.88 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 15.24 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 24.39 Euros (FEDEX) / ZONE 3* : 22.87 Euros - Bible BeOS US* : 12,62 euros instead of 31.23 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 15.24 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 24.39 Euros (FEDEX) / ZONE 3* : 33.54 Euros If you want to know more about this products, please have a look here : http://www.derniere-version.com/orderbeos/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- PROMOTIONAL PACKS - BeOS PACK PLATINIUM* (BeOS 5 Pro Edition US + Gobe Productive 2 US + T-RackS 1.1 US + Bible US + BeShow US) = 62,45 euros instead of 428.46 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 23.63 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 45.73 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 3* : 35.06 Euros - BeOS PACK GOLD* (Gobe Productive US + T-RackS 1.1 US + Bible US + BeShow US) = 49.71 euros instead of 394.05 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 23.63 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2*: 45.73 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 3* : 35.06 Euros - BeOS PACK GROOVE* (BeOS 5 Pro Edition US + T-RackS 1.1 US + Bible US + BeShowUS) = 49.71 euros instead of 338.52 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 23.63 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 45.73 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 3* : 35.06 Euros - BeOS PACK ESSENTIAL* (BeOS 5 Pro Edition US + Gobe Productive US + Bible US + BeShow US) = 31.73 euros instead 155.58 euros Shipping Cost : ZONE 1* : 23.63 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 2* : 45.73 Euros (TNT) / ZONE 3* : 35.06 Euros *ZONE 1 : ECC & Europe *ZONE 2 : Other countries *ZONE 3 : Switherland If your company is based in the European Union, please send us your INTRA EC. If not, we must include french taxes (VAT 19.6%). In the same way, we must include this taxe if you are a European personal user. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- HOW TO ORDER ? Please contact M. Sylvain Todeschini only by email stodeschini@apacabar.fr 1/ Make your choice (product and your zone : ECC ? Others countries ?) 2/ Indicate your credit card number + expiration date (If you do not want to give your card number by email, call Mr. Todeschini + 33 1 56 54 80 47) 3/ Your complete address + phone number + email + country. Best regards, enjoy, and have a good time with BeOS, Feel free to contact me for any question. Sébastien MONNERET. ------------------------------------------------- Apacabar S.A Sébastien MONNERET smonneret@apacabar.fr Chef de Groupe Marketing Marketing Team Manager Phone : + 33 1 56 54 80 00 Fax : + 33 1 56 54 80 01 Web : http://www.apacabar.fr/ ------------------------------------------------- Sylvain TODESCHINI stodeschini@apacabar.fr Attaché commercial Commercial Fastener Clients finaux/administrations SOFTLINE 10, rue Vercingétorix 75680 Paris Cedex 14 - FRANCE http://www.softline.fr/ Tel/Phone : + 33 1 56 54 80 47 - Fax + 33 1 56 54 80 46 SOFTLINE à Apple Expo du 26 au 30 septembre 2001- Paris FRANCE SOFTLINE at Apple Expo Show from 26 to 30 of september 2001 - Paris ---------------------------------------------------

does http://www.softline.fr/ have any pages in english. Has anyone ordered from them, how hard is it to get stuff bought with US funds and shipped to the US?

Be Inc. looking in the wrong direction.
by MVentour on Wed 10th Oct 2001 14:08 UTC

why are they so focused on embedded devices? they would fair greatly in the desktop market. they have the Mac OS that runs on x86, other than Darwin. it's great for multimedia, they just need more multimedia apps. then media houses will really take notice. just my 2 rusty cents.