Linked by Henrik Petersson on Wed 14th Apr 2004 21:15 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives I created the Casper project because I needed a way to organize my growing collection of CD-R/RWs which holds a lot of music and images, but there was no such solution available for my OS of choice, the BeOS.
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Sweet!
by Jonathan on Wed 14th Apr 2004 21:38 UTC

Great article! Excellent idea of how to find stuff scattered on CDs all over the place. I'll have to try this something.

Jonathan

Download link?
by koki on Wed 14th Apr 2004 21:58 UTC

So, where can we download this neat app from?

RE: Download link?
by rain on Wed 14th Apr 2004 22:11 UTC

I'm sorry, it should have been available to the public by the time the article was published but I haven't found the time to do so ;) I've got too much work right now. But it will be posted on bebits once I've fixed a few things and packaged it.

it need to be done
by aliensoldier on Wed 14th Apr 2004 22:21 UTC

that is something i wanted to do at one point but i wanted to integrate it in the tracker and i got myself lost in code land.

For exemple, you could add the "size" of the file as an extra attribute but it would only be "for your eyes only" because the OS or a script would have to do back flip to interpret them correctly. So the tracker need to be modified so that it include the inside/outside computer possibility.

I was restructuring my file on how my CD are (i'm lazy, a file was fine ;) ) and i got on interesting ides a while doing that that might be of interest for your project. So drop on beshare and we could talk about them if you want.

RE: it need to be done
by rain on Wed 14th Apr 2004 22:33 UTC

I'm interested in hearing your ideas aliensoldier. I'll be in BeShare this weekend. see you there ;)

Similar Solution for Linux?
by Narendra Sankar on Wed 14th Apr 2004 23:13 UTC

Hi Everyone

Do you know of any such solution for linux - specifically to deal with removable media storage on CD/DVD?

On windows/osx there are commerical tools available, but linux seems to be lacking.

Thanks
Naren

RE: Download link?
by koki on Thu 15th Apr 2004 00:30 UTC

rain,

Look forward to using this app when it becomes available for download. It is so nice to see applications being develop that take advantage of the uniqueness of BeOS! Thanks for doing this.

I have a question: from this <a href="http://img.osnews.com/img/6728/casper.png">screenshot, it looks like you can catalog non-BFS volumes as well. If that is the case, would this not enable searching for content on non-BFS volumes from BeOS? In other words, if I catalog music files residing in a Windows XP volume, would the resulting "links" (with attributes) allow me to search from BeOS?

Koki

There is furher version of BeAndSee, rain
by SD on Thu 15th Apr 2004 00:32 UTC

More features + lot of bugfixes + more (internally BFS usage).
http://www.bebits.com/app/2386
Installable over older version (to avoid re-dwonloading filters etc)

RE: Download link?
by rain on Thu 15th Apr 2004 00:46 UTC

In other words, if I catalog music files residing in a Windows XP volume, would the resulting "links" (with attributes) allow me to search from BeOS?

Well, yes that's possible but not really recommended, at least not the way Casper works at the moment because you wouldn't be able to add the files easily to a playlist(unless you append by default) since they aren't real links just references. Wouldn't symbolic links be a better solution?
But sure, you could use it to find the files then open the parent folder of the files on the NTFS-partition then open them in the MP3-player. But to me it sounds trickier than finding the file in a well organised directory on the NTFS partition.

But you are right, it's possible, and there's nothing stopping you from doing it ;)

v its not removed ?
by Snake on Thu 15th Apr 2004 00:48 UTC
RE: There is furher version of BeAndSee, rain
by rain on Thu 15th Apr 2004 00:51 UTC

Ah, I added those links in a hurry and picked the first one that came up in the search. I didn't know that there was an improved version actually, I'll try it out this weekend. Thanks.

v RE: its not removed ?
by rain on Thu 15th Apr 2004 00:54 UTC
v sorry wrong article
by Snake on Thu 15th Apr 2004 01:08 UTC
Icon/thumbnail size
by nick on Thu 15th Apr 2004 07:14 UTC

That is a very neat system, rain!
I have a question regarding the icon/thumbnail size of the screenshots. Are these Zeta sreenshots? R5 icons are only 16 or 32 pixel, right?
I didn't know you could use larger icons in List View ( http://img.osnews.com/img/6728/wendy.png )...
Can't wait to download it ;)

Congrats
by Methedras on Thu 15th Apr 2004 07:55 UTC

I'm Happy to see that app. I've already been trying to do such an app for BeOS but because of lack of time and others priorities it never ended. (good bye "NuclearLaunch" ;-]] )
So, I'm happy to see that it is now done.
Congrats rain !
Keep up Great Work !

Brilliant app
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Apr 2004 12:40 UTC

Very nice job Rain... this is excellent stuff.

What this could become is something a lot more sophisticated and brilliant and that is a backup system.

I mean if you can ghost over files you can make multispanned CDs as backup and this tool would be excellent handling it assuming it can

a) check for changes
b) keep track of dates.

It would be a bit ruff so to say to use it, but I think it sounds like an excellent tool for the job.

Anyhow, great job!

Re: size
by -=StephenB=- on Thu 15th Apr 2004 12:42 UTC

@aliensoldier


For exemple, you could add the "size" of the file as an extra attribute but it would only be "for your eyes only" because the OS or a script would have to do back flip to interpret them correctly. So the tracker need to be modified so that it include the inside/outside computer possibility.


Well, you could create a "original size" attribute for just that filetype, that would probably do it without stepping on any toes.

neat!
by pmvn on Thu 15th Apr 2004 12:49 UTC

I think this is exactly what I'm looking for. To the developer: Great and thank you very much!

BeOS
by spaceboy29 on Thu 15th Apr 2004 17:45 UTC

I downloaded and installed BeOS persoal version on XP and it won't boot, I'm even using a bootdisk. Can anyone help?

OT: BeOS
by Timbo on Thu 15th Apr 2004 19:19 UTC

BeOS Personal needs Win98/ME to boot. Otherwise, you will need to give it a separate partition and install it as you might do Linux. I recommend installing BeOS MAX available from www.beosmax.org BeOS Max is basically Be 5 PE with a bunch of value added software and things like Athlon XP/ Pentium 4 support.

If BeOS had OpenOffice, I would use it.

thanks
by spaceboy29 on Thu 15th Apr 2004 20:42 UTC

cool, thanks

RE: BeOS
by Eugenia on Thu 15th Apr 2004 21:23 UTC

>I downloaded and installed BeOS persoal version on XP and it won't boot

The other problem might be that you are using an early P4 CPU or an AthlonXP/latest Duron CPU. These are not supported by the Personal Edition, you will need to get the BeOS Max Edition 3 that supports newer CPUs.

Icons
by Jace on Fri 16th Apr 2004 00:20 UTC

I'm curious about the icons too... ;-)

RE: Icon/thumbnail size
by rain on Fri 16th Apr 2004 01:56 UTC

It's R5 with an old SVG-tracker build that I got from the original developer. It's actually a lot faster than the one in Zeta. I wonder what those guys did to slow it down that much.

That rocks
by Richard Spindler on Fri 16th Apr 2004 06:10 UTC

Wohoo,

what a great Idea,

That's really one of the best examples I've ever seen, that show off BeOS possibilites for software-development.

I'm totally amazed.

excellent
by mike on Fri 16th Apr 2004 14:11 UTC

this is just brilliant.
i am half considering reviving beos 5 on my pc now ;) .

This is totally sweet rain.

The only way it would get better would be if you actually implemented this inside OpenTracker.

Then you'd have seamless integration... oh now that'd be slick.

re
by imstillatwork on Fri 16th Apr 2004 17:30 UTC

cool stuff!