Linked by Bob Minvielle on Mon 17th May 2004 18:51 UTC
Features, Office The world has changed due to the humble (and sometimes not so humble) creations in the past. It can be argued that NCSA Mosaic changed the world. Some would argue that it was actually Netscape, but whatever the actual case may be, the web browser has in some way changed the way we look at electronic information.
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woah
by Debman on Mon 17th May 2004 19:12 UTC

weren't people claiming that MS was going to do this with office and that no one would go for it?

so, basically, you can run this software from a Linux server and serve it to any number of PCs. nice.

RE: comparison to other similar solutions
by Jon on Mon 17th May 2004 19:44 UTC

Oh, this one too!
http://www.opengroupware.org/

v Re: RE: If it's Java based I'd consider it. But it BETTER be great.
by DeadFish Man on Mon 17th May 2004 19:49 UTC
v published under the GPL ? Where is the source code ?
by Anonymous on Mon 17th May 2004 19:57 UTC
v RE: published under the GPL ? Where is the source code ?
by DrLinux on Mon 17th May 2004 20:04 UTC
Re: Re: RE: If it's Java based I'd consider it. But it BETTER be great.
by DeadFish Man on Mon 17th May 2004 20:39 UTC

Eugenia,

Now YOU please think before giving angry responses. Except for Java Applets and ActiveX components, there are no other ways to offer WYSIWYG editing in a web browser AFAIK (Of course, i might be wrong). Since it is the e-mail composing window that we're discussing, it is important for this kind of application.

Therefore, is very reasonable to presume that such feature is based either in a Java applet or an ActiveX component. Some time ago I saw something that offered such functionality without relying in any of these two, but the thing only worked with IE and I didn't bother to check why at the time.

However, this subject became too dumb to discuss any further. Mod me down again or whatever pleases you.

Well, unless I missed something, checking out the source code on the Demo it only uses JS and CSS to do WYSIWYG on the textareas, no activeX controls or Java.

RE: comparison to other similar solutions
by roccofreshy on Mon 17th May 2004 21:00 UTC

This is another to check:

http://www.moregroupware.org
http://www.phprojekt.org

I'm using the first one right now and used the later sometime ago. Changed for the support for projects.

spiffy
by brad on Mon 17th May 2004 21:00 UTC

seems like a cool piece of software

Java, ActiveX, JavaScript, or...
by Jason Lotito on Mon 17th May 2004 21:05 UTC

their is also the possibility of using Flash. Not sure how this would work out, and if it would be good, but I am sure a flash version of this wouldn't be half bad. Consider that flash is installed on most computers and is cross-platform.

I would be curious to know if a Flash implementation exists.

(Disclaimer: I am not saying Flash is the best solution, or that the other solutions are junk, just that Flash is another option, and that I am curious to know if one does exist.)

Eugenia, they use htmlarea for the rich text editing (in the text area).

You can download it for free here:
http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/

>Eugenia, they use htmlarea for the rich text editing (in the text area).

Yup, which it basically is a big js and CSS script, I still see no java or activeX controls there.

Nothing compares to Group-Office
by Ryan on Mon 17th May 2004 21:32 UTC

We have clients using this now. Its truly amazing. The LDAP functionality is being worked on but this really is one of the 3 best open source packages in existance right now for its class. Open Groupware blows, as to many of the other phpgroupware type packages. Either too dificult to admin, clunky interface, or feature incomplete. Group-Office is basically Exchange/Groupwise/Lotus Notes online but BETTER.

additional information
by ComSubVie on Mon 17th May 2004 21:49 UTC

We're running Group-Office here with an LDAP user database with over 3000 users and somewhere around 700 groups without problems. But LDAP functionality is not finished yet, we're still working on the user management functions (add user/group to LDAP, modify in LDAP).
The next release (2.05 which will be released on 23rd May) includes WebDAV support, so you can access the files inside Group-Office from your local computer like they were local (tested with Nautilus (gnome 2.4+2.6), Finder (OS X 10.3.x) and m$ explorer).
Additionally I should mention that there are plans around to support SyncML and Outlook-Synchronization, but implementation has not started yet.

RE: Nothing compares to Group-Office
by roccofreshy on Mon 17th May 2004 21:50 UTC

True, but what lacks is good integration with projects. I was looking for something to administer all my projects. This is the only place where Group-Office lacks compared to other groupware solutions. Others let you assign notes, TODO's, bugtracker tickets, and files to projects.

So everything depends on your use of the soft. If you just want exchange then this is one of the bests. If you want also project management, here it lacks a bit.

Re: woah - Debman
by Edward on Mon 17th May 2004 22:41 UTC

weren't people claiming that MS was going to do this with office and that no one would go for it?

Given that this is Microsoft, I imagine that their version was some sort of Active X thing that required the latest version of Internet Explorer, and only worked on NT platforms as Administrator, as well as doing all the processing on the client side - thus negating the entire point of such a project in the first place.

v I know better than to argue with Women!
by SmartGuy on Mon 17th May 2004 23:00 UTC
Re: RE: Nothing compares to Group-Office
by Ryan on Mon 17th May 2004 23:54 UTC

Group-Office has evolved so much though. Assigned and personal To-Dos are in there, samething with the project module. Take a look at it again if you haven't recently. Its really evolved.

Unfortunately, from what I saw on their website, their code uses (or generates) horribly outdated HTML. I couldn't find a working example of their beta software, but the example on the page you referenced was filed with FONT tags. Eeek!

Also, I haven't used this in quite a few years so I'm not sure if it includes groupware type functionality (I just used it for web based email access to my IMAP account), but how does HORDE compare to this?

http://www.horde.org/

I hate HTML Area
by Anonymous on Tue 18th May 2004 01:30 UTC

People think "ooh it's cross-platform, it's amazing." These people have not tested for anything beyond changing the font size and perhaps making their text simulataneously bold, underlined, and blinking.

The dialog boxes cannot be gain focus (effectively locked from input) in Mozilla based browsers, Mozilla FireFox in particular. The spell-checker rarely works, and does not support UTF-8 charsets. It cannot be embedded in a table, it must have the default colors, it glitches randomly if you try to change the width, etc etc. But whoo! It's open source.

Anonymous Whining....
by doggedblues on Tue 18th May 2004 02:55 UTC

Stop whining. If you can do better, submit a patch or submit a bug report.

If you can't, sit around and enjoy it. Or come back in a year. I guarantee that it will be better then.

PostgreSQL support
by SubAtomic Toad on Tue 18th May 2004 04:25 UTC

If and when it has PostgreSQL support I'll give it more consideration. Can anyone verify if PostgreSQL support is there???

Anonymous Whining....
by Anonymous on Tue 18th May 2004 04:42 UTC

While I appreciate your typical "omg you insulted teh OSS, you suxors, why dun you do it" attitude - in fact, our business did do better. We went with a solution that was actually developed, instead of just thrown together randomly. http://www.wysiwygpro.com (hard to type URI though, bleh). Much more professional, the emails are actually answered in the forums (by helpful users and developers alike), and no annoying bugs that take days to debug (and then the developer releases a new version which fixes some other bugs, breaks your bug fixes, and introduces some new ones).

So, thank you for telling me to write something better. I find this a very typical way to deflect away any sort of criticism. Are you afraid of hearing that some open source applications suck? There is nothing wrong with letting people know not waste their time with a half-baked application like HTML Area. Maybe you should make a better comment, pfft.

Re: Anonymous Whining....
by Anonymous Stuporhero on Tue 18th May 2004 05:59 UTC

>Stop whining. If you can do better, submit a patch or submit a bug report.


Uhm, It's called XUL and it is better. Html area just happens to work in internet exploder.

(google search on 'midas')

And whiche of these suite
by Anonymous on Tue 18th May 2004 06:14 UTC

will actually flawlessy synchronize with my Palm pilot, something that is _crucial_.

A while back I was checking for all these different solutions and never really saw any that was _really good_. Once MS released outlook 2k3 (which was really a great release) they left quite a bit of the competition behind =(

It would be nice to see this change with some solutions getting better.

HTMLArea & Co
by ComSubVie on Tue 18th May 2004 06:51 UTC

For our purposes HTMLArea works without problems in Mozilla (Firefox) in Linux, Windoze and OS X. The only browser that seems to have problems with that is Safari. Sure there may be better solutions around, but I don't know any free ones ;)

@Anonymous: The only thing I miss in Outlook is a eMail (IMAP!!!) client. You still cannot store sent mails in the IMAP-sent-folder.

RE: HTMLArea & Co
by Anonymous on Tue 18th May 2004 07:40 UTC

JavaScript Rich text editors can only work in Windows IE5+ and Mozilla 1.3+ or newer and derivatives on any platform. HTML Area in particular because it is so poorly coded and tested only works on IE 5.5 and up.

Correction
by Anonymous on Tue 18th May 2004 07:41 UTC

I mean IE 5.5 up & the Moz based browsers, too. I hate HTML Area, but I wasn't trying to imply that it did not work in Mozilla 1.3+ based browsers. Well it doesn't work well, but it is supposed to work at least.

If you want to collaborative work with agenda and similar features, I think there are a lot of useful group suites for free, but if you want to collaborative work on projects on IT business or other industries that work on projects, you should see PHPCOLLAB.

It is interesting to see how similar are Group-Office and PHPCOLLAB on the look and the feature catalog.

In our company, We are succesfully running a PHPCOLLAB on the internet as a place where to collaborate with some customers in multisite and multiproject organization.

Currently we are integrating MANTIS as the complementary bug management application.

Alex Garcia
BARCELONA (SPAIN)

Keyboard users?
by Frustrated Consumer on Tue 18th May 2004 13:54 UTC

These are some pretty cool products, the only problem I have with web based products in general is that it cuts off people (like myself) who hate using the mouse and prefer to use keyboard shortcuts as much as possible. It's hard enough to find one that gets the TAB order right!

Professional vs community versions??
by Anonymous on Tue 18th May 2004 16:19 UTC

I cannot find any information regarding the differences between the professional and community versions? I can only find that the professional version offers 'additional features'.

Wysiwygpro is the best of the best!
by Anonymous on Wed 19th May 2004 06:37 UTC

Saw the above post on http://www.wysiwygpro.com and thought I'd weigh in. My experience with this editor has been great. It's written as a PHP Class, and has a well developed API that includes the ability to access many of the javascript functions directly. VERY easy to integrate and morph it to what you want it to be and do. Like the above note, my issues were competently and quickly handled by the developers.