Linked by Jeremy LaCroix on Mon 14th Jun 2004 17:37 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris There already exists a good deal of reviews of Mandrake 10 already. Instead of doing the typical review, I'm going to do things a bit differently. You see, there are a few things my OS needs to do perfectly, to warrant it a chance to stay on my PC longer than an hour or so. If any one of these necesseties fail, I may end up not liking the OS altogether. My OS needs to support good hardware acceleration, it must be able to play MP3's, I absolutely need Zsnes, and it has to be fast and stable.
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changing menus
by Anonymous on Mon 14th Jun 2004 17:59 UTC

you need to use the mandrake menu config program (in "system/configuration") Mandrake locks out kmenu from changing the menu because it uses the same menu accross a variety of window managers(such as gnome/xcfe etc.)

suse
by Anonymous on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:01 UTC

didn't suse have a bug that set your screen resolution to 800X600? I feel like i read about it here on osnews. That's probably why it seemed to the reviewer that the screen was so small in SUSE, it's because it was so small.

Multimedia
by reddazz on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:02 UTC

If you install xine or mplayer and libdvdcss through urpmi you can play virtually anything in Linux. You will need win32 codecs from PLF repository for Mandrake or download them from this site http://xinehq.de/index.php/nightly and you can play wmv and wma.

Mandrake
by Anonymous on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:04 UTC

Mandrake has really come a long way since I started using linux. I remember back when the version # was 5.3. Boy was that hard to use ;) more of a ruff scetch of what linux could be.

Paying for "freeware" is sometimes ok
by Rambus on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:09 UTC

Companies need to make money. Distro companies make money by adding value to freely available software .. that means everything from having a FTP for you to d/l it to customizing application and event doing some testing.
For instance, if Linspire is charging you for d/l something, it is because they invested money in someone to grab code, make proper packaging, probably make some testing, sometimes financing the freeware project, etc.

If you don't want to pay them, you are completely allowed to go and grab CVS code for the application you want, compile it, and use it for free. If that is too much work, think again why companies charge for something you take as free for granted.


Mandrake 10 is great
by Victor on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:10 UTC

I've always used Debian, but decided to try Mandrake because i was looking for something more "desktop oriented", and i've heard good things about Mandrake 10.

Well, what people has been saying is true; Mandrake 10 is great. I've had bad experiences with Mandrake 9.1, but this new version is almost perfect. Congrats to the Mandrake team, keep up the good work.

Victor.

URPMI Configuration
by Andrea on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:10 UTC

To have a good set of rpm repositories just go to http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php and follow directions. PLF rpm's will allow you play almost any kind of video, audio and DVD's... the only drawback is that I don't know how legal are some of the RPM's in your state: PLF hosts many things that are not included into the Mandrake distribution for legal reasons.

DVD playing
by Eu on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:24 UTC

Add your plf repository and do the following:

urpmi libdvdcss.

After that put a DVD in the drive and Totem will begin to play it, menu support and all.

Mandrake 10 is one of the best Linux distributions in the market right now. I have tried Fedora 2 and Suse 9.1 and Mandrake is far more stable and faster. To me it also has the most mature software installer of the three. Even after installing apt-get for Suse, I couldn't get many of the packages that were not included on the disks.

Apt-get for Suse was not as stable as urpmi either and is not officially supported by Suse. Suse's Yast is nicer looking, I'll admit, than MDK's control center, but it is also a lot slower.

Very good but...
by Lorenzo on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:38 UTC

I used Mandrake 9.1 for a while, then did a round of other distros, and really felt let down (Mandrake is the most easy and plug-and-play distro I've ever tried).
10.0 was a very good surprise!
But still, I can't honestly suggest Linux to friends: I am using almost only XPPro since a couple of months, and got no regrets... mozilla, openoffice etc, they all are *quicker* and still free, plus XP supports standby on my notebook (a 1+year old centrino, standy is fundamental after you try it), and it's *easy* to get all sorts of media from the web, streaming and not.
Seeing something like Mandrake makes me feel sad, 'cause after 8 years of Linux, because the truth is that in terms of usability and applications, we are still facing a Win95 vs. Slackware 3 match... only XPPro *never* crashed on my laptop, despite several standby-resume cycles per day...

I really hope that things change in Linux, because apart from the drawbacks, software like MDK10 is just fantastic to use...

v blub...blub...
by Panna on Mon 14th Jun 2004 18:56 UTC
v Go for GENTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Anand Pandey on Mon 14th Jun 2004 19:27 UTC
v Onebase
by Anonymous on Mon 14th Jun 2004 19:47 UTC
For Crying Out Loud....
by Aaron Benedict on Mon 14th Jun 2004 20:02 UTC

People, can we please keep this related to Mandrake and the review? Not DistroX is much better. Every one has their favorite distro, and that is fine. Stuff like that really ruins the comments.

Thanks,
Aaron

it's better...
by Anonymous on Mon 14th Jun 2004 20:57 UTC

10.0 community was (slightly) disappointing for me... I had to configure mouse, change resolution etc after installation. It was nothing big, only little bit annoying, as with MDK 9.2 they worked fine.
Then I after 10.0 official was released, I upgraded community installation. After that everyting just worked.

how unnecessary comment again... :-(
by Anonymous on Mon 14th Jun 2004 20:57 UTC

"and with Linspire I had to PAY to install this freeware program. (Can you believe that?!)"

how unnecessary comment again... :-(

you do not need to pay for it with Linspire... but you have an option to have an easy way to install it for a fee... otherwise you are free to install it on Linpire as well from source or via apt...

xmms
by Flatline on Mon 14th Jun 2004 21:18 UTC

The xmms freeze issue can be easily solved by opening the menu editor and changing the command for xmms from "soundwrapper xmms" to plain "xmms".

How MDK missed the fact that xmms didn't work properly out of the box is a bit beyond me, but it's the only issue I've personally had with 10.0 Official. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually considering making my "production" machine a MDK 10.0 Official machine...I just can't bring myself to say goodbye to my faithful Slackware install yet...

Speed and other things
by J.F. on Mon 14th Jun 2004 22:05 UTC

People report various distros and setups as slower than others, but I haven't run into it personally. I run Fedora Core 2 on an Opteron and it's considerably faster than Windows XP Pro. Maybe the speed is more of an issue on lower end machines. Most power-users don't complain as much from what I've seen.

I run the audio in FC2 in surround 4.0 and haven't noticed any noise. Maybe it's just one mode of surround that has the trouble. Overall, I haven't noticed any of the problems most of the Fedora Core 2 reviews reported. Maybe I'm just lucky... I'll take it any way I can get it. I've got the latest Gnome running on the latest NTFS kernel with xmms and xine and ogle and FireFox everything else that makes a distro usable.

re: speed and other things
by Flatline on Mon 14th Jun 2004 22:18 UTC

I think that a lot of the people who are saying that their system "feels" faster under MDK 10 are those who are using XFS or ReiserFS as their file system; ext3 is pretty slow (although it is one of the most thoroughly tested and stable file systems out there).

Re: Suse
by wireplay.cc on Mon 14th Jun 2004 22:29 UTC

didn't suse have a bug that set your screen resolution to 800X600? I feel like i read about it here on osnews. That's probably why it seemed to the reviewer that the screen was so small in SUSE, it's because it was so small. "

I had that problem, but I wouldn't really call it a bug. Suse 9.1 improperly set my monitor's horizontal and vertical sync rates. A quick google for my monitor and a small update of my sync settings and I was ready to go!

I do believe there was a bug mentioned somewhere that made the application menu appear much larger than it was suppose to be... Perhaps this was the same issue?

v SNES
by Mandrake User on Mon 14th Jun 2004 23:11 UTC
DVD's, Menus
by odysseus on Mon 14th Jun 2004 23:14 UTC

For DVD playing, MP3 ripping, console emulation and other legally uncertain packages, go to the Penguin Liberation Front at http://plf.zarb.org/ or add it as a urpmi source at http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php .

As for the "Burn CD's" vs "K3B", this could be for 2 reasons. First go to the KDE Control Centre, choose "Look and Feel", then "Panels" then the "Menus" tab, there's and option there to display Name or Description or both. The other option is in the Mandrake Menu Editor, Menudrake, where you can change your menu style between "All Apllications" and "What to Do" style. The "What to Do" style is a simplified menu using functional descriptions instead of names.

Mandrake does not use the KMenu editor, instead using the Debian menu system which allows you to synchronise your menus across all Desktop Managers, and also auto-updating the menu with aplication links under their correct menu group on adding and removing RPMs (much better than the MS way of dump and forget). Anyway, you can find this either in the Mandrake Control Centre (MCC) or as Menudrake under the Configuration menu, and use it to re-arrange the menu structure to your hearts delight.

John.

what a man! i spent 5 days compiling and now my system boots in 89 seconds instead of 95. what a saving!

re: the most reliable and most optimised solution is to download mplayer and compile it yourself. its not hard. and install the pre-collected codecs... and you can play dvds (even without any 3rd party libraries, mplayer can do its own decoding via libdvdkit), wma, wmv, qt mov, mpeg, rm, ram, ra, asx, ... i've not found a file it won't play.

zSNES is not freeware
by Leonard on Mon 14th Jun 2004 23:52 UTC

>and with Linspire I had to PAY to install this freeware program. (Can you believe that?!)"

Of course, zSNES is not a freeware program; zSNES is free as in free speech, covered by the GPL licencse.

WHATT
by Anand PAndey on Tue 15th Jun 2004 00:23 UTC

<<<what a man! i spent 5 days compiling and now my system boots in 89 seconds instead of 95. what a saving! >>>

I dont know about you but mine loads much faster. KDE for the first time looks like a usable WM. With Mandrake I would be looking at the Loding KDe window then If I fired Mozilla Wait for a while. And besides stuff like compiling I'd dream about an optimized executable. Take for example Mplayer what a difference with the Compiled version. Basically all I do is emerge foo leave it overnight baam There you are.

ZSNES choppy in FC2 - excuse...me!
by Jones Lee on Tue 15th Jun 2004 02:21 UTC

I think the author must be a n00b, he doesn't know anything about Linux. I run ZSNES on FC2 with max speed, even better than SuSE 9.1 and for sure surpass **** Mandrake 10. For the author: don't make up some "jokes" to promote Mandrake 10, most Linux distros are similar, the factor is the users, the badass users always dream in their illusion!

Updating Mandrake
by azazel on Tue 15th Jun 2004 03:49 UTC

As others have mentioned, easy urpmi is a great resource for setting up your internet sources for Mandrake. My ISP hosts a Mandrake mirror, so the only source outside of my ISP is PLF (main, contrib and updates are served via my ISP).

Once you have contrib, updates and PLF setup, you can keep up to date with

urpmi.update -a
urpmi --auto-select

Beware that the downloads are often quite big, so it's good to have broadband (I didn't bother keeping up to date when I had dialup). I wish Mandrake would distribute patches rather than the full rpm's again (why distribute 50MB's of something when only 150k has changed?).

I personally use Totem (which uses xine) to play DVD's and most media files. For ones that don't work in xine, I use mplayer. PLF has a package win32-codecs that you'll want to grab in order to play all the windows formats (and you'll need a plugin for xine in order for it to be able to use win32 dll's).

Forget elite
by jmich on Tue 15th Jun 2004 05:43 UTC

So you played with linux. You feel elite ;-). Your colleagues think you're eccentric. Sorry but if you replace your current distro with Mandrake 10.0, you won't feel that anymore. In a good sense, it is dumber than Windows. You'll probably feel insulted by it's simplicity, speed and stability. Nobody wants to spend more time configuring their OS anymore than necessary. This version just saves you that.

Gnome not install...
by arthur on Tue 15th Jun 2004 07:12 UTC

Not to start any DE war but has also been my experience that kde is a lot faster if gnome is not installed. I have a dual 450 mhz P3.

Re: wmv and menu
by Raptor on Tue 15th Jun 2004 07:41 UTC

For playing wmv files (or any sort of windows media) and divx/xvid movies try installing mplayer (GUI gmplayer). It'll install everything you need. And for the menu try running menudrake. BTW Mandrake really kicks ass. I have tried fedora2 but couldn't get hw acceleration on my ATI Radeon9600.

about menudrake
by hobgoblin on Tue 15th Jun 2004 08:21 UTC

i do belive that you can cahnge the menu styles in there, so that you can have a menu that gives you a task based name for everything, you can have one that shows the software in groups but with its original name or a combo of both. im not at my mdk install right now so i will have to come back to you about where its hidden:)

as for mister j. lee's comment about zsnes and the authors leetness, please! he comments on it from a frresh usres pov, people that will go "this sucks compared to the same task on windows, back to windows". sure it can be made to work in fedora or suse but the fact that it works from go in mandrake without tweaking is a plus...

Divx and WMV worked *out-of-the-box*
by Anonymous on Tue 15th Jun 2004 14:12 UTC

I know this will sound strange, but on my Mandrake 10 installation i have divx and wmv support out of the box. The only wmv i couldn't play was some encoded with wmv 9.

Oh, and it played with Totem.

Victor.

stupid
by FRee on Tue 15th Jun 2004 14:35 UTC

If you want WMV support and other propietry drivers and libarary's then you should pay for Mandrake Official. Then those are also included when you set it up. You can't expect Mandrake to pay you for MP3 and DVD and WMV...

When patents will be legal in Europa MP3 will also disapear from the MDK distro!

Mandrake has improved!
by airider on Tue 15th Jun 2004 15:31 UTC

Loaded 10.0 offical last night, and ran updates and a few urpmi "installs" and I'd have to say Mandrake 10.0 is fast, easy and very usable. Getting java impletmented in Mozilla 1.6 took a little work, had to link the gcc32 version of the .so file, but other than that, everything works great and is the fastest linux version I've tried in the past five years. Not too shaby for a freely available distro that gives you the .iso's (you listening suse!!!).

IHMO Best linux distro
by lynz on Wed 16th Jun 2004 23:14 UTC

If you haven't got problems with your /dev/hands you would use Gentoo. It's source based (you can even use it as linux from scratch - the portages) and the fastest and most customizable OS you have ever seen.
MDK suxx definitly, Suse is better ( on my opinion ) but MDK isn't customizable cuz it hasn't kernel-sorces built in ( at least i haven't found aby in 9.2) and.....
Okey, if you like it - use it but visit www.gentoo.org forst

ZSNES in SUSE
by sean on Tue 22nd Jun 2004 00:18 UTC

The review says ZSNES doesn't work with suse 9.1. I got ZSNES working fine on Suse 9.1, no problem. I just downloaded a 3rd party rpm and installed it with yast and it worked straight off.