Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 6th Mar 2002 22:20 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Along with our XML or PHP news feeds, OSNews is now offering WAP support for the readers that own a WAP-enabled mobile phone. Just point your WAP device on http://wap.osnews.com/ or on http://wap.osnews.com/index.wml and you should be able to access our 15 latest headlines. Please report any problems you may find on our comments section. Additionally, people with 4th generation mobile phones (mostly sold in Japan) capable of HTML should be able to render OSNews in full HTML, but in a more simple manner (no ads or nested tables). Just follow the same instructions as we have for the AvantGo, Lynx, Links and W3M browsers. Check the screenshot showing some WAP emulators and the three major text browsers rendering the alternative (and simpler) OSNews pages. UPDATE: I did some changes on the WAP source, please let us know if it now works ok with your devices. Thanks!
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coolness!
by Jean-Baptiste Queru on Wed 6th Mar 2002 23:09 UTC

Yippee!!!

JBQ

Cool!
by linux_baby on Thu 7th Mar 2002 00:24 UTC

Kewl! Nice job!

You have a screenshot of an R380 emulator displaying your wap site but I have the real thing and all it's telling me is it's getting HTML and I tried both addresses. Mozilla however displays the WML fine.

I could eventually get wap.osnews.com to appear by "borrowing" Googles excellent wml converter which I sometimes use to read the HTML only BBC news PDA pages.

If you have a script detecting the browser I suspect it may not like my browser version it's a late model R380 (anyone with an R380 should get the software updated as it's faster and doubles the battery time!).

Having spent a year working on WAP I can tell you it's a nightmare! Very few phones apply the WAP spec properly then and different gateways compile the WML differently (all WML goes via a gateway). Then of course the emulators do not always emulate the phones very well and to make things worse may not use WAP gateways at all , though things were improving - you used to get phones which would crash and could only be revived by removing the battery... Nokias usually (Ericssons are/were ugly but better engineered).

The only sure way to test is on the real things on different gateways etc... Good luck to you!

But the question everyone is skipping over...
by Another matthew on Thu 7th Mar 2002 03:27 UTC

Kevin Spacey?

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by catharsis on Thu 7th Mar 2002 05:51 UTC

Kevin Spacey?

You're right. Donald Sutherland is totally hotter.

This is cool.
by Camel on Thu 7th Mar 2002 08:12 UTC

Now if you would just rid your site of those annoying pop-up windows OSNews would be perfect.

Nice ;-) But it's not working
by TJ on Thu 7th Mar 2002 08:47 UTC

not working on my Ericsson T68 ;-(

Too bad with the pop-up ads.
by Flashheart on Thu 7th Mar 2002 09:45 UTC

Too bad with the pop-up ads. Destroys an otherwise very good site.

RE: Too bad with the pop-up ads.
by God on Thu 7th Mar 2002 10:14 UTC

Well, I agree. But pop-ups help pay for the site. I'd rather see sponsored reviews, than popup ads. ;) They could be: Educating, Enlightening, or just plain boring, and i could skip over them. Less annoying than popups. But Bills have to be paid somehow. And i doubt any of you would like to donate money, to help keep the site ad-free. I could be wrong though. ;)

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by . on Thu 7th Mar 2002 11:18 UTC

wap works on opera...

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by . on Thu 7th Mar 2002 11:19 UTC

wap works on opera... how cool is that?

i just wanna know..
by Dennis Jakobsen on Thu 7th Mar 2002 12:04 UTC

which girl does JBQ have in his background? ;)

or is that Kevin Spacey too? ;)

Not working
by LeftOfCentre on Thu 7th Mar 2002 12:30 UTC

Great idea! Doesn't seem to be working on my T65, though. Says the page is invalid.

Invalid
by Knut Grimstad on Thu 7th Mar 2002 13:49 UTC

My T68 is properly set up for wap, but gives an error message that's there's something wrong with the site.

-Knut

Is there something in between?
by RevAaron on Thu 7th Mar 2002 15:48 UTC

I'm a Newton user. One of the many awesome things it can do is schedule downloads of pages I'd like to read throughout the day, on the bus for instance. While the Newt can download full featured pages, and have no big troubles viewing them, it'd be nice to have something more simple. On many sites, it seems either you get the entire burrito, or you just a little WAPish listing of headlines.

It would be very nice if there was something in between, a plain-ish real HTML page that had the content of the front page- with the summary, &c, and a link to the comments/rest of story- but without all the graphics, and table-heavyness.

Or hell, even http://www.osnews.com/files/recent as an HTML file would work, as Newt's Cape (the Newton browser I use) can follow links to a certain depth.

Just some ideas...

Links?
by Dave on Thu 7th Mar 2002 15:55 UTC

RevAron, sounds *almost* like links (not lynx) in Unix/Linux ... it's a text browser that doesn't choke too badly on tables and frames. Wonder if it's possible to get something like that for the Newton?

Site is returning Bad Data
by Jason Stiles on Thu 7th Mar 2002 16:25 UTC

I get an error on my Samsung N200 (Using Sprint's Wireless Web) that says Internal Server Error and if I go to Details it says "Site is Returning Bad Data"

answers
by Eugenia on Thu 7th Mar 2002 18:02 UTC

Please retry with your WAP devices. I have made some changes on the WAP source, please let me know if it ok now. ;)
Thanks!

>popup ads

Please do not lose your patience with them. We switched to DoubleClick ad broker (who feature some popup ads) JUST YESTERDAY. We ALREADY have asked them to DISABLE the popup ads on OSNews. We are waiting for them to do so for our account. Patience... ;)

>which girl does JBQ have in his background? or is that Kevin Spacey too? ;)

It is the (ugly-ish but sexy) Kevin Spacey too. We are sharing this PC (but I am using it much more than JBQ), until we get Cable modem in our new apartment. ;)

it works!
by Jon on Thu 7th Mar 2002 19:33 UTC

cool it works on my Siemens M35i.
Im calling from Spain, Telefonica Mobile.
Not too slow

Re: Links
by Rev Aaron on Thu 7th Mar 2002 21:55 UTC

Dave- there's nothing like links for the Newton, other than using a telnet emulator and using links running on a unix machine. But that's not the issue- Newt's Cape deals with all of the markup fine, it is just messy for a small screen. There is another browser called LunaRanger that renders them like Netscape 4.76 would on a desktop, but again, there's too much scrolling involved. I just want something simple to look at, and fast when I'm grabbing it over a modem.

Fine now
by Nicholas Blachford on Fri 8th Mar 2002 00:35 UTC

Works fine on my R380 now :-)

but...
by Nicholas Blachford on Fri 8th Mar 2002 00:48 UTC

But Mozilla can't read it anymore...
Looks like you've changed the mime type and thats fixed it - very common problem.

Did you changed the WML? if so you probably didn't need to.

Re: but...
by Eugenia on Fri 8th Mar 2002 01:42 UTC

>But Mozilla can't read it anymore...

Opera 6 still can. You can even go like this on Opera:
http://wap.osnews.com/#Card1 and Card2, Card3, Card4.

>Looks like you've changed the mime type and thats fixed it - very common problem.

Yup, this is one of the things I did.

>Did you changed the WML? if so you probably didn't need to.

I added paragraphs for it. Some WAP devices only accept text if they are inside paragraphs.

Hmm... still not working here
by LeftOfCentre on Fri 8th Mar 2002 09:25 UTC

My T65 still says the page is invalid.

T68...
by Knut Grimstad on Fri 8th Mar 2002 10:21 UTC

My T68 can read the page, but I can't find any links to follow.

-Knut

Works on Sprint Now
by Jason Stiles on Fri 8th Mar 2002 14:59 UTC

It now works on my Sprint Wireless Web Account With Samsung N200 phone.

However I would like to be able to follow links and actually read the stories ;-)

-Jason

Re: T68...
by Eugenia on Fri 8th Mar 2002 16:44 UTC

Knut, can you see the 15 headlines?
This is the only thing we will support for now...

The wops don't use WAP. :-)
by Anonymous on Fri 8th Mar 2002 17:22 UTC

Don't forget that most people will plop in "www.osnews.com" on their phone, so that pretty much defeats the point of the wap.osnews.com vhost.

Do people realise that Europe and Asia have cell phones which can render HTML and sport GIF/JPG/PNGs? *chuckle*

Re: The wops don't use WAP. :-)
by Eugenia on Fri 8th Mar 2002 17:53 UTC

>Don't forget that most people will plop in "www.osnews.com" on their phone, so that pretty much defeats the point of the wap.osnews.com vhost.

People who would want to read OSNews, have a clue anyway. It is the COMMON thing to do to go for the wap.NameOfTheSite.com. It is an unwritten rule of the WAP world. It is known to people who are using WAP.

Re: The wops don't use WAP. :-)
by Nicholas Blachford on Fri 8th Mar 2002 21:06 UTC

Well sorta, some do and some don't. The http header should tell you the user agent and from this you can decide what to send back. In that case you can use whatever URL you like.

>Do people realise that Europe and Asia have cell phones which can
>render HTML and sport GIF/JPG/PNGs? *chuckle*

Is that a Nokia 9210 in your pocket - or a brick?
Not many phones (at least not in europe) read HTML, WML was designed to get around the problems you have trying to read HTML on a phone (or any small device). It will eventually be replaced with XHTML or a variant thereof. imode will do the same.

T68
by TJ on Sat 9th Mar 2002 18:57 UTC

Hi Eugenia,

I don't get 15 latest headlines on my T68 ;-(

- TJ