Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 30th Jul 2004 08:24 UTC
Windows When it finally ships, the Longhorn release of Windows will include a number of interesting new technologies. But it is the technology currently code-named "Indigo" that stands out as the most important product for anyone who cares about how diverse systems are glued together. To understand Indigo, however, there are four points you need to get your mind around. Elsewhere, .NET luminaries discuss themselves, their technology expertise, and whatever else comes to mind, released twice a month. Elsewhere, the Longhorn Driver Kit is a fully integrated driver development system for Windows.
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v Re: Indigo & Longhorn - The truth
by Omega on Fri 30th Jul 2004 09:30 UTC
The Real Truth
by n4cer on Fri 30th Jul 2004 09:35 UTC

Both products do exist. They've been in the hands of developers for sometime.

RE: Omega
by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Jul 2004 09:58 UTC

Can I buy Longhorn right Now?

No, but you can get several wokring builds formt he unofficial channels. Also, members of MSDN get them too.

Is Indigo currently supported?

Supported by what?

Both Longhorn and Indigo are projects under development.
They are not products.


Mmm, so, when a product is under development, it's no product? May I remind you that every piece of software is under dev? The Linux kernel, Microsoft Office, my BeOS sticky note app, they are all under dev. According to your logic, they are not products.

They are just VAPORWARE.
They are not on the market and there is no real commited deadline as to their availability.


Deadlines are restrictive. It's better for a development model not to have them. I don't think we have deadline for the next Linux kernel release, now, do we? Or for OOo 2.0?

So many projects were abandonned by Microsoft and the software industry as a whole.

I believe only in what I can buy and is supported.

Longhorn and Indigo do not exist.


You only believe in what you can buy?

Yeah right.




I did not get it
by Renato on Fri 30th Jul 2004 12:18 UTC

Ok, I only read the linked article quickly, but I've seen a boatload of buzzwords and very few content.

Remote services? They have been around forever, and lack a security model (think SOAP)

Objects which expose reusable methods.. uhm.. COM?

If there is really anything new here I wuould honestly like to know it (not trolling or kidding)...

back ported to XP
by amon on Fri 30th Jul 2004 12:38 UTC

The best bit about Indigo is that it is going to be back-ported to XP. This is logical as it means that Indigo based technologies will work with Windows Longhaul's main desktop competitor, Windows XP.

Aside from that from the article it doesn't seem like Indigo is really anything to write home about, services exported from applications that are accessable locally as well as from the internet. Abit like the services found in NextStep and Cocoa with the added bonus of being able to access services from the web in a transparent way.

Hopefully this will use two different techniques for locally based services and web based services, using SOAP and XML Web services for both opens up security nightmares and would be very resource heavy.

Thom Holwerda RE: Omega
by mythought on Fri 30th Jul 2004 12:48 UTC

"Mmm, so, when a product is under development, it's no product? May I remind you that every piece of software is under dev? The Linux kernel,.."

Thom,
Linux is available in all different colours for Joe and Jane sixpack to purchase, if they wish
The same is not true for Longhorn, ergo, Omega is right. At the moment it is vapourware. As long as Longhorn is not available to the market it remains vapourware.

Think of it as a prototype car used for reserch .... Actually, MS is using it to patenting reasons .....

@Omega
by MoronPeeCeeUsr on Fri 30th Jul 2004 13:48 UTC

They are just VAPORWARE.
They are not on the market and there is no real commited deadline as to their availability.


Vaporware is software that never exists. You can download (if you are an MSDN subscriber or know someone who is) these apis and work with them right now. Thats a far cry from vaporware.

We have a rought timeframe, 2006-07ish. One thing is certain at this point and that being that these APIs are what Windows developers will be using in the future.

So many projects were abandonned by Microsoft and the software industry as a whole.

Yes and I'm sure many more will be abandoned in the future. That must reason enough to never look at upcoming software or technologies for guys like you I guess.

I believe only in what I can buy and is supported.

Ok so you are an end user and a customer. With that in mind I can see how this stuff dosen't interest you.

For someone who writes software on windows and wants to make sure they have the skills and know the tools to write software for the next release of the OS these APIs are interesting and important to understand NOW, not when they are released.

Longhorn and Indigo do not exist.

I wonder what the gigabytes of HD space I have devoted to Longhorn and the new .net apis really contain then ? It surely ain't a porno collection!

Re: MoronPeeCeeUsr
by Omega on Fri 30th Jul 2004 15:31 UTC

I wonder what the gigabytes of HD space I have devoted to Longhorn and the new .net apis really contain then ?

I could tell you what it is but you would not like to know.
But it's no porn I agree :-)

Registry hell
by hraq on Fri 30th Jul 2004 15:50 UTC

As long as Mr. Longhorn will not get rid of his registry i will never thing of it as my future jacket

Fancy GUI...
by Archie on Fri 30th Jul 2004 15:51 UTC

http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=8855

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e31'

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Maybe there are other areas that should be improved first.?

Can I buy Longhorn right Now?
Is Indigo currently supported?

No.

Both Longhorn and Indigo are projects under development.
They are not products.

They are just VAPORWARE.
They are not on the market and there is no real commited deadline as to their availability.

So many projects were abandonned by Microsoft and the software industry as a whole.

I believe only in what I can buy and is supported.

Longhorn and Indigo do not exist.

@omega
by MoronPeeCeeUsr on Sat 31st Jul 2004 06:03 UTC

So basically you have no argument and have resorted to just posting the same thing over and over again.

Thank you for playing and wasting our time in the process.