Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 15th Sep 2004 05:13 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces With pro features like 16-bit per channel support, camera RAW and the healing brush, Adobe announced Photoshop Elements 3.0 today. Digital photo users in particular now have the choice of this powerful application that has little competition in its range, be it the free Gimp or the similarly priced PaintShopPro. Picture Window Pro is the only photo application that can outfeature Elements (and depending on the case, even Photoshop itself sometimes). Picture Window Pro is one of the favorite applications of photography professionals and it's at the same price range as Elements, 90 USD.
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? ?
by massai on Wed 15th Sep 2004 05:42 UTC

"that has little competition in its range, be it the free Gimp or the similarly priced PaintShopPro"

PaintShopPro is a triviality? is this for real ?
Can someone elaborate since when PhotoShop Element outfeatures PaintShop Pro ?

How was that conclusion reached ?

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RE: ? ?
by Eugenia on Wed 15th Sep 2004 05:45 UTC

Learn to read please:

1. I am talking about *DIGITAL PHOTO* users.
2. Elements 3.0, yes, outfeatures PSP for digital photo users. It has 16 bit support, something that PSP sorely lacks (and Gimp too), and it's a must have for photos.

The only thing really missing from PE 3.0 is Curves.

v And...
by dpi on Wed 15th Sep 2004 05:50 UTC
v RE: And...
by Eugenia on Wed 15th Sep 2004 05:58 UTC
OSNews?
by Sander Stoks on Wed 15th Sep 2004 06:50 UTC

What systems does this Photoshop OS run on?

:-)

RE: OSNews?
by Eugenia on Wed 15th Sep 2004 06:54 UTC

Mac, Win, Linux/FreeBSD (with wine) and used to run on IRIX too.

And regarding if that's os news or not, Photoshop is one of the most important application for OSes. In fact, most of the Mac platform BETS its existance on Photoshop and Adobe for many years now. So, yes, it is OS news. It is important tech news.

RE: OSNews?
by Eugenia on Wed 15th Sep 2004 06:58 UTC

If office news are getting posted here, and browser news are posted here (and they are), Photoshop has the exact same importance for an OS, maybe on a different level, but as important nevertheless.

I am really unhappy replying about this (and I have to leave it visible so more people with the same question read my answer), because it's off topic. You should not have made this comment in the first place. If it's posted here, it's because we decided to post about it, so there is no reason to ask such a reduntant question (yes, I am tired replying same things over and over again).

gimp mia
by Anonymous on Wed 15th Sep 2004 07:00 UTC

I wish the developers over at the gimp would pick up the pace and not be always four steps behind the graphics world. Although gimp2.0 is a good sign of progress.

Still using Qt?
by Martin Stubenschrott on Wed 15th Sep 2004 07:09 UTC

Does anybody know for sure, if Adobe still uses Qt for Photoshop Elements?

Because Trolltech wrote that Adobe does, but this was version 1.0 or something like that of PE.

RE: Still using Qt?
by Eugenia on Wed 15th Sep 2004 07:12 UTC

Adobe never used Qt for Elements. They used Qt only for the Photoshop Album, which is a different product.

v 16-bit per channel.
by dpi on Wed 15th Sep 2004 07:52 UTC
v RE: 16-bit per channel.
by Eugenia on Wed 15th Sep 2004 07:55 UTC
@ Eugenia
by dpi on Wed 15th Sep 2004 08:35 UTC

I am modding you down because you do the SAME damn WRONG reply that many people do when someone says that Photoshop supports 16bit support and that starts to SERIOUSLY pissing me off.

Like what?

I didn't start this Adobe marketing thread btw.

Cinepaint IS NOT a digital photo application, it is a movie manipulation application.

Wrong. Read the website. Read what i quoted. Then come back. It can perfectly be used for that.

FYI: A movie is just a (normally huge) number of pictures. In the case of Cinepaint, Cinepaint was used for manipulating a huge number of high quality pictures.

v Is $600 justifiable over Free?
by mystilleef on Wed 15th Sep 2004 08:48 UTC
v RE: Is $600 justifiable over Free?
by Eugenia on Wed 15th Sep 2004 08:49 UTC
hmm
by Ceaser on Wed 15th Sep 2004 08:52 UTC

i got pe2.0 with my digital camera. didnt think much of it really. its nice they are doing a cutdown version of photoshop tho. nice to see they are putting effort into covering the home segment as well as the pro segment.

in the overall scheme of things i want a really cool pixel pusher (ala deluxepaint 4.5, brilliance, etc). ultimate paint doesnt cut it and promotion is good but bad distribution. you can buy the download of promotion and you get no fonts, plugins or anything... but th eprice is good. you have to buy the cd to get all th eplugins and extras and its twice the price..... eesh great for us europeans... ;) )

paint shop pro
by eLvis on Wed 15th Sep 2004 11:13 UTC

actually, with the recent release of version 9.0, paint shop pro has significantly beefed up it's digital photo support - can read all the RAW formats for all the cameras, has perspective/barrel distortion correction, etc. version 9 easily competes with elements 3 (though i'd agree with you about version 8 - couldn't even READ digital photos directly!)

Maybe...
by Manik on Wed 15th Sep 2004 11:32 UTC

PhotoLine 32 may well out feature PE. Check it here:
http://www.pl32.com/

It's an old application (born on Atari, 16 years ago, I believe) recently ported on OS X (and it has some progress to do yet). It has been on Windows for years. It has:
16 bit color depth
SWE export
layout, vector editing, batch convert, web editing
action recorder (macros)
CMYK support
Transparency
DTP functions
TWAIN interface
support pressure sensitive graphic tablets
support third party plugins
supports tons of file formats

and many more. Price 59 euro (and no I don't work for them). 30 days trial.

Maybe...II
by Manik on Wed 15th Sep 2004 11:33 UTC

SWE export should be SWF export.

v ps elements 2
by Anonymous on Wed 15th Sep 2004 12:55 UTC
Photoshop Album
by Galley on Wed 15th Sep 2004 13:13 UTC

It appears that most of Photoshop Album has been integrated into PSE 3.

Corel PhotoPaint
by David Ross on Wed 15th Sep 2004 13:58 UTC

I'm not an expert user but for the consumer audience Photoshop Elements is targeting I use Corel PhotoPaint 12 the most. The upgrade price for Corel Suite 12 is really nice. I got PE 2.0 with a scanner bundle and still use it on occasion. But for instance I never found a way to easily slice images for use on websites, Corel PhotoPaint makes that simple. Only a solution for Windows users though.

i would pay for a corel photopaint / PSE on linux/bsd
by tech_user on Wed 15th Sep 2004 15:26 UTC

i would most certainly pay for a corel photopaint / PSE on linux/bsd. teh corel suite is very well done and nothing i have found on linux competes. i think scribus for DTP may become the gimp of the OSS world... but there is still a need for a very capable vector drawing package.

@Eugenia
by Bas on Wed 15th Sep 2004 16:46 UTC


>Cinepaint IS NOT a digital photo application, it is a movie
>manipulation application.

While i would agree with you that a lot more prof. photographers use PhotoShop, Cinepaint is NOT a movie manipulation program but a frame by frame editor for digital material. Cinepaint is at a much HIGHER level(16, even 32 bits) than the current Photoshop CS. Its perfectly suited for editing digital photos, it gets used a lot in digital studios.
The Gimp will quickly "get" the 16 and 32 bits properties of Cinepaint as well.

v Today is the day...
by Kathy Waters on Wed 15th Sep 2004 17:01 UTC
Re: Today is the day...
by Corey on Wed 15th Sep 2004 17:18 UTC

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

yeah good riddance
by Anonymous on Wed 15th Sep 2004 17:26 UTC

"Today is the day..."

personally, a little odd variety is good. i can go to any of about 10 pretty major tech news sites on a daily basis and the sad thing is most of em are showing at least 50% of the same news....not major news that everyone should see, but it appears that the sites just look to see what others are putting up and follow along.

i love osnews and appreciate anything that is outside the stock daily drivel.

keep up the bringing us some different material.

thank you.

:)

re: PSE 3.0
by none on Wed 15th Sep 2004 17:34 UTC

"2. Elements 3.0, yes, outfeatures PSP for digital photo users. It has 16 bit support, something that PSP sorely lacks (and Gimp too), and it's a must have for photos.

16bit isn't the be all end all of everything. Most people get along fine without it including PS users who didn't have a full implementation for YEARS.

"The only thing really missing from PE 3.0 is Curves."

Like PSE 2.0 I'm sure you'l be able to get it as a Free addon on the net. I use PSE 2.0 and have curves and a healing brush and many other "PS only" features. The only part which costs money was the Healing brush which was dirt cheap.

GIMP 2.0 is also great btw excellant for photos. No reason not to use it unless of course your one of those people(not You in particular) who thinks that any interface different than PS sucks.

Oh and Picture Window Pro? When it comes to Photo "Professionals" there is only Photoshop. Nice to mention alternatives but let's be realistic as well.

What does this have to do with operating systems?
by Hej on Wed 15th Sep 2004 17:35 UTC

Aside from the obvious fact that one is required to use this software?

RE: What does this have to do with operating systems?
by vinh on Wed 15th Sep 2004 18:06 UTC

sigh... you obviously didn't read Eugenia's comment towards the beginning... that, or you're being a troll by repeating something that has already been said and is clearly getting to Eugenia.

i'm in agreement with her on this one. important applications are important to operating systems. so new releases of such applications are just as important as new releases of operating systems themselves. after all, a platform is only as good as the applications available to run on them. Photoshop Elements is indeed a very popular application for digital photography, being a slimmed down Photoshop and all. i'm personally interested in this bit of news, as i've been thinking of buying PSE 2.0.

v Re: What does this have to do with operating systems?
by Pete on Wed 15th Sep 2004 18:55 UTC
Photoshop wins because of its great interface
by JF on Wed 15th Sep 2004 20:38 UTC

In my opinion Photoshop wins over competition because of its great interface. A level of detail and thought put into development of UI is nothing short of astonishing. Now I only briefly got to know Elements 1.0, but if 3.0 is anything like "big" Photoshop, with this sticker price it should be a winner.

As for the whole Photoshop vs. OS News debacle... the guy was a little bit too melodramatic but made some good points, and made me think about the thin line between OS and applications. He's been modded down, why? Another critical post later was also censored, but the praise posts - similarly off-topic - are still here. Hmmmm...

Jacek Fasola

@ tech_user
by dpi on Wed 15th Sep 2004 22:44 UTC

Its there for Linux, but i don't know exactly which version(s) http://www.google.nl/search?corel+photopaint+linux

@none
by Ben on Thu 16th Sep 2004 02:53 UTC

Like PSE 2.0 I'm sure you'l be able to get it as a Free addon on the net. I use PSE 2.0 and have curves and a healing brush and many other "PS only" features. The only part which costs money was the Healing brush which was dirt cheap.

Where did you get them from?
I didn't know PE 2.0 could be extended until very recently. I did a few google searches but there seems to be a lot of junk.

Paint Shop Pro 9
by drongo on Thu 16th Sep 2004 07:35 UTC

Boy ... you take your eye off the ball for a day. I did not realize PSP version 9 was out!

I went to Jasc's site, and it does not explicitly say that PSP 9 supports 16-bit (per RGB channel) images, but does make a big deal out of its RAW photo image format support.

Someone please give me the quick and dirty: How intimately are the RAW format and 16-bit color imaging related? Thank you.

sigh
by alt on Thu 16th Sep 2004 17:42 UTC

>Cinepaint IS NOT a digital photo application, it is a
>movie manipulation application.

Like, *what* is a movie manipulation application??

For those of you who didn't knew:
Moving pictures don't really move.
They are made from individual frames.
And yes, you can paint one frame at a time.
That is how animations are made.

Photoshop can also be used for this.
Is PS a movie manipulation application?

BTW: even some post houses use internally 8bit per channel instead of higher depths. Why? Because they have a film scanner and they can always go back to it and get a more shadow detail / more light detail out of material.

RE: Paint Shop Pro 9
by drongo on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:49 UTC

Partially answering my own question:

I called Jasc to press them on what features PSP 9 actually has. It can handle the RAW format, and it can import 16-bit per channel images -- however, both are converted to 8-bit on the fly. It seems there are some options about the conversion from RAW, but PSP 9 is not as advanced as PE 3 vis a vis the 16-bit image handling.

Now, as I am a part-time web site designer and not a printed product creator the question is, does this lack of 16-bit processing matter to me? As far as I can tell, no ... not much.