Linked by Kane on Thu 16th Sep 2004 20:38 UTC
Linux Some weeks ago, I heard of a new german distribution of Linux especially for older hardware, which is called 'DeLi Linux'. I own an rather old Notebook with a Pentium 90, so I ordered a CD of DeLi for use on my old Notebook. After some days, I hold the CD in my hands.
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v "Winblows"?
by David on Thu 16th Sep 2004 20:55 UTC
Don't waste your time reading this
by TaterSalad on Thu 16th Sep 2004 20:59 UTC

I stopped reading when I read "First, I inserted the CD into my Winblows box". This should tell you how the rest of the review is going to be. How can you take this review seriously when the first line uses a derogatory statement? When you strip out your bias then maybe I will read it.

RE: Don't waste your time reading this
by Eugenia on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:05 UTC

I agree. Authors should be a bit more careful when submitting articles to (big) sites. I usually decide not to edit things though in general, for the sake of freedom of the author to experss him/herself.

RE: Don't waste your time reading this
by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:21 UTC

I agree as well. When using these kind of terms, try to use them in a joking way or something. Else, just don't use them at all.

RE: RE: Don't waste your time reading this
by X on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:28 UTC

I usually decide not to edit things though in general, for the sake of freedom of the author to experss him/herself.

Eugenia, do you accept reviews by anonymous contributors? What I mean is I would like to submit a review, but don't want my name on the review.

RE: RE: Don't waste your time reading this
by Eugenia on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:35 UTC

No, it has to have a name (even just first name) and a valid email address that you check regularly. People should be able to contact you about it.

Now, back to topic please, every subsequent off topic will be deleted.

v Bah don't be so stuffy
by Anonymous on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:44 UTC
DeLi
by Metic on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:48 UTC

DeLi Linux is perhaps the best desktop Linux distribution for really old PCs. With old I mean machines even older and slower than Pentium. Of course, there are several very good distributions for a bit newer and snappier Pentium class machines (Feather, Puppy, DSL, Vector Linux etc.)

Or does someone have better recommendations?

There used to be Tinylinux too: http://tiny.seul.org/en/ that runs even on a 1386 if I remember correctly. But Tinylinux seems not to be maintained and updated anymore - though the old installation files are still available there for those who want to play with Linux on their old PCs.

2 graphical web browsers included, actually
by Anonymous on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:52 UTC

I installed DeliLinux on an old Gateway Solo 2100 and also thought that Dillo, while coming along nicely, still leaves a few things to be desired for full-time use (SSL!). Then I discovered that the included Links browser also has X11 support - it's just a matter of using another command-line flag (I think it's -g). I was impressed - it actually makes a very good graphical browser for low-end systems.

TinyLinux
by bohemian_rhombus on Thu 16th Sep 2004 21:57 UTC

Yes, TinyLinux is specifically for i386 platforms. I think the last release was in 2001. Here is another source:

http://tinylinux.sourceforge.net/

RE: 2 graphical web browsers included, actually
by Anonymous on Thu 16th Sep 2004 22:01 UTC

Then I discovered that the included Links browser also has X11 support - it's just a matter of using another command-line flag (I think it's -g). I was impressed - it actually makes a very good graphical browser for low-end systems.

Yup, Links 2.x in GUI mode makes a nice light-weight browser for older systems. "Copy and paste" won't work between Links and other apps, though, and that sucks.

Damn Small Linux runs fine on old harware
by wazoox on Thu 16th Sep 2004 22:10 UTC

...And the patched Dillo it uses makes it quite usable.

RE: 2 graphical web browsers included, actually
by Metic on Thu 16th Sep 2004 22:11 UTC

You can naturally try to install other alternative software like web browsers too. The big problem is, however, that DeLi is based on Slackware 7.1 compatible software, and it might be quite difficult to find all the libs and other required software needed to run non-standard and newer programs as Slackware 7.1 was released as long ago as 2000/06/22.

By the way, it would be interesting to read about the experiences and possible solutions others may have had when installing and using newer software with DeLi?

interesting
by captainmellow on Thu 16th Sep 2004 22:26 UTC

I've found vector linux to be unsuitable for really old pentiums/p2's, so this might be just the thing I've been looking for . . .

re: Don't waste your time reading this
by hmmm on Thu 16th Sep 2004 23:09 UTC

I stopped reading when I read "First, I inserted the CD into my Winblows box".

I'm surprised. You can read?

You're right, though, Winblows was a bit harsh. Perhaps Windoze would have been nicer.

I wonder how this compares with Win 95, which does blow, very much. But I have it installed on a Pentium 75 laptop with Office 97 and it loads surprisingly fast, compared with modern hardware/software. I'm sure it lacks the features we've come to expect from a modern OS, but it would be interesting to see a performance comparison between these OSs and the software available for them. Office 97 is probably full featured and light weight compared with what's available for DeLi, but I really have no clue.

RE: 2 graphical web browsers included, actually
by jirka on Thu 16th Sep 2004 23:21 UTC

> Yup, Links 2.x in GUI mode makes a nice light-weight browser for older systems. "Copy and paste" won't work between Links and other apps, though, and that sucks.

The latest version of Links (2.1pre15) _supports_ "copy and paste" (Ctrl-Z for copy, Ctrl-V or middle mouse button for paste).

RE: 2 graphical web browsers included, actually
by Anonymous on Thu 16th Sep 2004 23:37 UTC

The latest version of Links (2.1pre15) _supports_ "copy and paste" (Ctrl-Z for copy, Ctrl-V or middle mouse button for paste).

I'm glad you proved me wrong. I quite like Links (and now that I've learnt the "copy and paste" shortcuts I like it even more). :-)

v RE: Don't waste your time reading this
by Anonymous on Thu 16th Sep 2004 23:38 UTC
RULE
by zerblat on Thu 16th Sep 2004 23:49 UTC

Another alternative distro for old computers is RULE ( http://www.rule-project.org ), which is based on Fedora.

v DeLi Linux
by Habib Nishad on Fri 17th Sep 2004 00:30 UTC
v Now that I have switched from Winblows
by Anonymous on Fri 17th Sep 2004 00:32 UTC
v RE: Windows Switch
by Truth on Fri 17th Sep 2004 00:38 UTC
dillo
by xmp on Fri 17th Sep 2004 05:09 UTC

Yes, TinyLinux is specifically for i386 platforms. I think the last release was in 2001.

My concern would be patching services. Possibly one should disable most of the daemons, or block outsiders at least.

I've found vector linux to be unsuitable for really old pentiums/p2's, so this might be just the thing I've been looking for . . .

I have Vector 4.0 on a Pentium 100 mhz / 64 meg ram. Works ok but I haven't tried many big apps.

I use Dillo occasionally, it's fairly lightweight. I wish there were something in between Dillo and Firefox. I'm disappointed with Amaya (the Windows version at least).

@xmp
by dao on Fri 17th Sep 2004 05:29 UTC

"I use Dillo occasionally, it's fairly lightweight. I wish there were something in between Dillo and Firefox. I'm disappointed with Amaya (the Windows version at least)."

I run Netscape 4.7 (I think!) on FreeBSD under Linux compatibility. Works great.

I use DeLi Linux 0.5 regulary on an old 486 DX2/50 Laptop with 12 MB RAM ( http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~abe/w5/azka.html#ayca ) as terminal to read e-mail and news and to chat with friends from my balcony, bath tub or bed. In comparision to the Turbo Desktop Environment (TDE), which initially had the same target computers, but shipped with KDE3 (*argh*) the last time I saw it's website, (the maintainer seems to have removed from the net the second time, last URL was http://home.t-online.de/home/turbo-desktop-environment/ ), DeLi is a really consequently trimmed down Distribution for old PCs.

Unfortunately the maintainer has the opinion, that a "slim distribution" also means a slim variety of packages. E.g. he reduced the number of included number of window managers by more than the half just with the argument, that it should be a "slim distribution" and choice isn't important. He also refuses to add further window managers, even if they (IMHO) fit perfectly into the philosophy of a distribution for old computers. (I suggested flwm, http://flwm.sf.net/ )

Heck, such a CD-ROM has nowadays 700 MB, why does he keep the ISO at around 100 MB? You can't argue with download times nowadays, even if you just have a historical 14.4 modem: There are really a lot of mail-order shops, which ship even such exotical ISOs for an acceptable amount money (usually a few euros plus portage). (My favourite ISO shop is e.g. http://www.liniso.de/ , although they don't have DeLi (yet).)

So I had to use packages from other Slackware 7.1 based distros (there are a few around), staticly compiled software or compiled the software locally and added zile (as Emacs subsitute), tcsh, tf, flwm and Opera to my DeLi Linux.

--
There is no place like $HOME.

ratpoison
by mattk on Fri 17th Sep 2004 13:54 UTC

Is ratpoison available for deli linux? I found it very useable on my old p100 laptop. Since it is keyboard based, i can get away completely(almost) from using the funny little mouse joystick that is on my Satellite.

thx for feedback
by Kane on Fri 17th Sep 2004 16:42 UTC

Thanks for all the feedback
I've never written an article for OSNews before, so I'll take care of what words I choose for some OSes the next time ;)

Browser choice
by gaboro on Fri 17th Sep 2004 21:05 UTC

I think the best choice available for older hardwer is an Opera from the 6.x serises. I used it on an P-166MMX and it was quite usable.

it is unfortunately not _that_ free as dillo... but does probably a better job for the purpose...

cheers
gaboro

Dillo
by JLT on Fri 17th Sep 2004 22:00 UTC

In my limited use of Linux and Dillo, if you right click on an open area while in a browser page you will be given the option of bookmarking/saving the page.........
Is this right or wrong?????????

Dillo bookmarks
by RichardPW on Sun 19th Sep 2004 20:15 UTC

Dillo includes a very good bookmarks plugin (by default) - and the latest version (0.8.2), while still being in beta, is very stable.

However I do agree with the article's author that something like Netscape 4.8 should be included as well - much as I love Dillo, it can't handle everything you need.

muLinux
by nicholas on Mon 20th Sep 2004 12:57 UTC

http://mulinux.sunsite.dk/mulinux.html

VERY small, and VERY fast.