Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sun 26th Sep 2004 21:08 UTC
Syllable, AtheOS The long awaited Syllable 0.5.4 is now available. This release includes a completly new Desktop and Registrar server which adds important functionality to Syllable.
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Screenshots
by Bas on Sun 26th Sep 2004 21:25 UTC



I think it would be wise to put up a screenshot of the "completly new Desktop" on the Syllable website. All i could find where shots of 0.53 and lower..pitty.

Oh well i am currently downloading it ;)

re: Screenshots
by Mad Echidna on Sun 26th Sep 2004 21:55 UTC

Mabe you could post some once you get it installed! I personally am very interested in this now, as I have a Voodoo 3 ;)

RE: screenshots
by Michael Saunders on Sun 26th Sep 2004 22:05 UTC

Screenshots of the new desktop can be found here:

http://www.syllable.org/screenshots.php

They're the ones mentioning the "optional dock". The first five show it in action. Also, the following OSNews story explains Syllable in more detail:

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7900

And to keep track of developments, have a gander at the newsletter:

http://msa.section.me.uk/sdn/

.5.4 screens?
by proph3t on Sun 26th Sep 2004 22:08 UTC

Micheal, those screenshots dont include the .5.4 release Bas was talking about.

Im interesed.

RE: proph3t
by Michael Saunders on Sun 26th Sep 2004 22:12 UTC

proph3t, they do -- those 0.5.3 screenshots were taken with pre-release versions of the new desktop. That's the desktop that has been fully rolled-in for 0.5.4. Essentially, here's the difference:

Syllable's desktop for 0.5.3 and earlier:

http://www.syllable.org/screenshots/syllable4.png

Syllable's new desktop made default in 0.5.4:

http://www.syllable.org/screenshots/0.5.3_with_dock_1.gif

Hopefully that'll clear things up!

Re: Screenshots
by Roberto on Sun 26th Sep 2004 22:21 UTC

http://www.syllable.org/screenshots.php

If these are screen shots from "the completely new desktop" as Mr. Michael states, than to me they look no different then the recent review with screenshots of Syllable posted here on OSNews.

Downloading
by Anonymous on Sun 26th Sep 2004 22:37 UTC

Oh well i am currently downloading it ;)

Lucky you...I've been trying to download it for hours, getting laughable speeds of like 8 KB/sec. Now all the mirrors say the file isn't available.

:(
by Mad Echidna on Sun 26th Sep 2004 22:55 UTC

I don't like the new desktop much, the old beos style bar was better. Now it just looks like an XP clone with a blucurve theme.

Re: :(
by Chris on Mon 27th Sep 2004 00:05 UTC

It may look like it but it rocks as an OS (well, very well for a small beta os).

re. :(
by johnMG on Mon 27th Sep 2004 05:23 UTC

I don't like the new desktop much, the old beos style bar was better.

I like the BeOS-style better too. I guess that "start menu"-type menu bar at the top of the screen is called the "dock".

Not that it's any of my business, but I get the impression that, although many of the Syllable folks are ex-BeOS'ers, they want Syllable to be distinctly not-BeOS-like. That's just my rough impression anyway. Good luck to the Syllable dev team -- it looks like they're getting some work done over there on the other side of the pond. ;)

re. :(
by digitaliz on Mon 27th Sep 2004 05:50 UTC

Good luck to the Syllable dev team -- it looks like they're getting some work done over there on the other side of the pond. ;)

Thanks. :o) But we're actually on both sides of the pond... :o)

.....
by poundsmack on Mon 27th Sep 2004 07:11 UTC

i like the new look personaly

Screenshots
by void on Mon 27th Sep 2004 09:15 UTC

it's look like very nice

russian
by void on Mon 27th Sep 2004 09:16 UTC

does this system supports russian encodings?

Kernel Panic
by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Sep 2004 10:17 UTC

Mmmm this one won't boot; gives me a kernel panic on bootup... Too bad, I promised Micheal on irc I'd give it a shot once it was released... Too bad I didn't get any further. I posted this on the Syllable forum too, I hope it's an easy error to fix ;) .

RE: russian, Kernel Panic
by Vanders on Mon 27th Sep 2004 10:26 UTC

Syllable uses UTF-8 and includes a Russian keymap. You will probably need to install a suitable font though. Just copy the .ttf (TrueType) files to /system/fonts/

Thom I've seen your post; I need more information.

RE: Vanders
by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Sep 2004 10:38 UTC

Check the syllable forum, I hope that helps!

I really want to try out Syllable, last time I tried was like a year ago. I'd really love to see the progress made ;) .

Why not just port it to the Linux or BSD kernel?
by MikeF on Mon 27th Sep 2004 13:39 UTC

I have so far not been able to get Syllable to boot on any PC that I own, but Linux of course has no problem with them. Apparently, I am not the only one with this problem. I've thinking that maybe the solution is to toss out Syllable's kernel and port the rest of Syllable over to the Linux or BSD kernel.

Since Syllable has such a small development team, it'd certainly let them ride on Linux or BSD's coattails and then focus on things like usability and driver development where necessary.

Nice job!
by Peter on Mon 27th Sep 2004 13:45 UTC

Personally... I love the desktop! It looks really nice! Hope I can try it soon on my laptop.

about the GUI
by mehru on Mon 27th Sep 2004 14:07 UTC



What kind of GUI are you using?
DirectFB?, nanoX?, tinyX?, something for embeeded purposes?

RE: Why not just port it to the Linux or BSD kernel?
by Tanner on Mon 27th Sep 2004 14:27 UTC

"I've thinking that maybe the solution is to toss out Syllable's kernel and port the rest of Syllable over to the Linux or BSD kernel."

If they did that, they would literally KILL their main intention... MAKE a TOTALLY NEW os.

And that is a foolish thing.. People behind Syllable: continue on your way, you are in the right direction!

There is no way, ever, that we will port anything from Syllable onto the Linux kernel. If we did that we'd only inherit the terrible device management and loose our nicely modular kernel. We really really do like our own kernel; it is lightweight, modular and tunable as a good desktop OS kernel. Linux can be some of those things, some of the time, but it isn't all of them. You are probably not the only one with problems booting Syllable; there are bugs in the ATAPI layer of the ATA driver which I will fix if I can ever convince someone to generate a kernel log and mail it to me.

mehru, the GUI is specific to Syllable but similiar to BeOS. It is a client/server design. The applications use libsyllable (the clients) to talk to the appserver (the server). Everything is composited and Alpha channels are supported throughout. 2D rendering is accelerated on a large number of video cards.

@Vanders
by Wiese66 on Mon 27th Sep 2004 16:31 UTC

Maybe you could try it with qEmu. For me the pci mode will not start. It hangs on mounting the cdrom, I think. If I switch to isa mode, it could not found any video-driver or accurate vesa mode.
So I donīt know if these are a qEmu bugs or Syllable. But I would like to try it, as it would not detect the harddrive on my real laptop (ati ixp chipset problem I think).

RE: Wiese66
by Michael S on Mon 27th Sep 2004 17:06 UTC

Syllable _can_ run in Qemu, but it needs something passed at the Grub boot prompt.

One of my planned projects is a neatly packaged-up Qemu and Syllable bundle -- basically just a few clicks and you can be trying out the OS.

Mike (from Links2 in 0.5.4!)

RE: Wiese66
by Michael Saunders on Mon 27th Sep 2004 17:18 UTC

Try this -- it's some info Vanders posted on the forum a while back. I think this is how I did it... :-)

"I've just tried LiveCD4 on QEmu 0.6.0 running on Windows XP. You need to add "enable_ata_dma=false" to the kernel options.

Just hit "e" at the Grub menu, then move to the second line, press "e" again, then add enable_ata_dma=false to the end of the line. Press Enter and then "b" to boot. It should boot nice and fast then.
"

RE: Michael Saunders
by Wiese66 on Mon 27th Sep 2004 17:29 UTC

Have seen it on the forum, too. But this is, as if I use the isa mode. No VESA mode accessable. This is something strange, as the VESA mode works fine in Zeta on qEmu.

@MikeF
by helf on Mon 27th Sep 2004 22:18 UTC

Heh, what is with you people? Every knew os that gets a posts someone says' they should dump thier kernel/whatever and use linux/bsd/whatever.. its very annoying ;)

*sigh*
by dm on Tue 28th Sep 2004 08:55 UTC

Quite... Linux has its points, its robust, well developed, powerful and flexible... but its based on a 30+ year old OS and wasn't a terribly great implementation of that (from a design standpoint at least). Hardly end-of-the-world issues I'll admit, but, good enough reasons to do something different for many.

Re: sigh
by Anonymous on Tue 28th Sep 2004 17:09 UTC

but its based on a 30+ year old OS
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rebuttal: things evolve. Linux gets modern things all the day

things like udev and selinux and very new for example

So...the torrent links are on Pouet.net, then?
by Steve Nordquist on Wed 29th Sep 2004 05:19 UTC

C'mon ppl; here's this specific new OS, at least let out whether it will run in virtual machines, and if we try it on hardware, what era it should all be.

Love the idea of getting good use from my power-wasting Voodoo3, dislike the idea of it sneezing all over an otherwise nifty SATA RAID (firmware) array.
Also, thanks a thousand and change for saving me a trip to McMurdo base in order to encounter alien invention....
Since it's already in the can.
...er, it does burn on regular black disks, right?

Whoa! Fugly!
by Mr Horrible on Sun 3rd Oct 2004 18:40 UTC

Sorry kids, but IMO that's just fugly! Coldfish in particular.