Linked by Marcus on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 18:46 UTC
OpenStep, GNUstep Yes, the legendary GUI design study which has never been officially released by NeXT in the past and you will hardly find any information on the web - except of a single screenshots and some info on the newsgroups. Well, I did a small video running NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP 4 BETA on Virtual PC 2004.
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mirror ?
by hmmm on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 19:18 UTC

site has been slash.. errm osnewsed

any mirrors available ?

video
by veezis on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 20:12 UTC

looks like i'm not going to see the video ://

slow page
by blk on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 20:31 UTC

page is slow but not down, i'm downloading with proud 11kb/s ;) (i'm used to 190)

it's working
by Tudy on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 20:45 UTC

but very slow...have patience with it

hehe
by Jean-Louis on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 21:10 UTC

the server must be running on a Next Cube ;-)

Link
by Rll on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 21:17 UTC

Can someone give me a direct link to the movie... Thnx

Re Link
by Jean-Louis on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 21:20 UTC
Significance?
by Rob Potts on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 21:43 UTC

I've tried hitting www.z80.org/videos/ and the video link, but it just times out. What is the significance of the video? Iím familiar with the history of NeXT and OPENSTEP, along with its reincarnation as Cocoa. I would expect that the OPENSTEP 4 Beta GUI design study results are the current bases of the Cocoa HUI guidelines published by Apple on their developersí website.

wow..
by helf on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 21:43 UTC

that is awesome.

Please...
by David Lazaro on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 22:32 UTC

Please... I... need... to... see... that... Any mirrors, torrents, etc would be appreciated.

Re: Significance
by itomato on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 22:46 UTC

Still waiting to see the video.. (Come on, torrent!)

The significance is; this is where NeXT was headed as it tried to push OPENSTEP further. They hadn't even really come to the reverse-buyout of Apple yet. This is still around the time where they are pushing NeXTSTEP on all architectures (i386,HP-PA,Sparc,M68K), unless I've got my timeline wrong.

The Beta of NeXTSTEP 4 ([url=http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=openstep+beta&btnG=Sear...]link[/url]) shows some of their thinking as it pertains to the evolution of the UI - as in NeXTSTEP vs. "Aqua",

*with the shelf system at the bottom, as the Dock is in OS X, not in NeXTSTEP

*attempts to make it more flexible, colorful (titlebar gradients, etc.

This might help tie it together.. http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/03/04.2.shtml

I have thought about doing it..
by vondur on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 23:10 UTC

But getting Openstep to install on supported hardware was a pain. I remember a weird bug in the installer that would ask you to select the driver for the CDROM drive and then the hard disk controller. It would actually load the drivers in the wrong order. People would not notice it if you had the both drives attached to an IDE controller, but my PC at the time was using a SCSI controller. Took me a while to figure that one out.

wish I had it
by mini-me on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 23:26 UTC

I wish I had it ;) -- that along with a stable version of copland ;)

mirror
by Anonymous on Tue 23rd Nov 2004 23:50 UTC
RE: mirror
by David Lazaro on Wed 24th Nov 2004 01:01 UTC

Thanks for the mirror.

mirror down...
by Anonymous on Wed 24th Nov 2004 01:20 UTC

enough bandwith used... sorry...

Coral Cache mirror
by zerblat on Wed 24th Nov 2004 01:53 UTC

Just use the Coralized link: http://next.z80.org.nyud.net:8090/next/videos/

correct URL
by Joacim on Wed 24th Nov 2004 07:21 UTC

Someone tried to enter "www.z80.org/videos/" as the URL but that is of course wrong. The correct URL is "http://next.z80.org/next/videos/".

Thanks,

Joacim, owner of the server (a Power Mac G4@800Mhz, 512MB RAM, Mac OS X Server 10.3

I have my copy of Openstep 4 Pre-release 1
by Marc on Wed 24th Nov 2004 09:24 UTC

Of course I worked there so it was free.

OPENSTEP and more
by zeph on Wed 24th Nov 2004 12:09 UTC

I liked OPENSTEP 4.2, had it installed on my PC back in 98, 99 but it was sorta useless to me at the time, since I had just dialup, and it was essentially impossible to get my modem working with it.

I also had Rhapsody DR2 (through a developer at a place I worked), totally loved it, and I still sorta wish they kept the GUI from that (but added a real desktop rather than the DR2 desktop which was just a bunch of symlinks). There are themes and theming engines out there, but they can be sort of unsafe last I checked (a while ago).