Linked by James LaRue on Wed 12th Jan 2005 17:40 UTC
Editorial I have been keeping a log of my Linux experiences since August of 2002. At first, I set it up as a textbase of tips. Using the wonderful program Tuxcards, I maintained a diary.
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WTF?
by The Dude on Wed 12th Jan 2005 17:50 UTC

Was posting this really needed? I mean, the whole thing comes down to:--

(1) A noob records his answers;
(2) Later he's not a noob;
(3) Google is your friend;
(4) MS is teh evil;
(5) Learning is fundamental.

Reading this article was a waste of time, and I bet so was writing it.

RE: WTF?
by Jon on Wed 12th Jan 2005 17:54 UTC

I wouldn't agree with you. It's nice to have such articles every now and then on tech sites. Spirituality is a nice thing.

in the begining
by peragrin on Wed 12th Jan 2005 18:03 UTC

Some people left to ask questions,
Some people wandered,
Some people stayed behind

Those that questioned found answers and grew up,
Those that wandered found a home and grew up,
Those that stayed asked the others how they grew up.

I know I where I am do you know were you are?

Oh me oh my
by Roman Pretenderle on Wed 12th Jan 2005 18:05 UTC

And in the beginning, there was the word. And they cried the word, for it was all they had and all they were. It was theirs and it was them, and the word was "RTFM".

Or something. Nice article. :>

already been done
by mattb on Wed 12th Jan 2005 18:14 UTC

google for the teachings of grand master foo ;-)

seriously though, microsoft is a company, not a demon. linux is an operating system, not a path to salvation. to draw direct parallels means you gotta really stretch stuff. cool idea, dont think it really works.

RE: WTF?
by Mike on Wed 12th Jan 2005 18:16 UTC

I agree. Completely useless drivel.

Cute.
by vincent on Wed 12th Jan 2005 18:18 UTC

... why actually use your computer to get what you want to do done, when you can make getting your OS configured correctly a life-long zen journey...

v RE: WTF?
by Garret on Wed 12th Jan 2005 18:20 UTC
Why did I read this?
by James Johnstone on Wed 12th Jan 2005 18:49 UTC

What a complete waste of time.


First there is a story
then there is a WTF
then there is a yawn

v Who cares....
by MamaBigTits on Wed 12th Jan 2005 19:00 UTC
v religion
by Anonymous on Wed 12th Jan 2005 19:11 UTC
RE: Who cares....
by Garret on Wed 12th Jan 2005 19:46 UTC

Why does it bother you so much to read our responses, I'd say that's the real question.

Tuxcards ...
by Darius on Wed 12th Jan 2005 19:49 UTC

Anybody looking for a program like this on Windows, check out Keynote. It's both free and open source:

http://www.tranglos.com/free/index.html

Also, if you don't mind paying for software, a superior alternative exists called WinOrganizer:

http://www.tgslabs.com/en/winorganizer

This is the best of the 'outliner' programs that I have ever seen, and is one of the apps (amoung a few others) that keeps me on Windows - I use it religiously.

Notes
by ryanpq on Wed 12th Jan 2005 20:04 UTC

You mention that you recorded all the problems you ran into over this period of time and the solutions. I would think that such a collection of common problems, mistakes and misconceptions and their solutions would be very useful to some as a website. Have you considered cleaning up your notes and making them publicly available? The fact that they are chronological would give some people a unique look at someones venture into Linux (for so many developers who have forgotten what it is like to be a new user.)

I shall say this only once
by Michelle of the resistence on Wed 12th Jan 2005 20:07 UTC

Chaps, this thread is rather peculiar.
</Herr Flick mode>

Be open-source minded
by Panna on Wed 12th Jan 2005 20:17 UTC

and post your experiences somewhere...so you help us to avoid some mistakes..

Say what?
by chris on Wed 12th Jan 2005 20:27 UTC

How did this article make it onto OSNews? This is a story of someone learning to use Linux. There is nothing new, innovative or particularly interesting about this. The output of this persons "journey" has not even been linked to. This is a blog entry or has this site become OSStoryTime.com?

please post the notes
by pieter on Wed 12th Jan 2005 20:34 UTC

The notes please! As someone else has already stated, to developers this can be a godsend. Especially if they are chronological.


v RE: I shall say this only once
by Garret on Wed 12th Jan 2005 20:34 UTC
Great article
by Eu on Wed 12th Jan 2005 20:50 UTC

Beautiful and well written.

To the author, don't let the naysayers get to you. By the tone and nature of your article, I suspect you are by now above the ebb and flow of these pubescent idiots.

Anything that is worth learning requires commitment, reflection and discipline. Linux allows you to experience computing in very different terms if you are willing to travel down the road of self empowerment through careful learning.

i liked it
by joeuser on Wed 12th Jan 2005 20:56 UTC

i liked that article.

this guy just describes what everybody has experienced, but as i can see, some of us just don't want to remember it.

describing ms as "maya" is overkill, though.

Notes Public
by Hawke on Wed 12th Jan 2005 21:16 UTC

Yes, definately clean those up, and make them public. I could seriously help alot of people, both users and developers.

</2cents>

nice article
by marc on Wed 12th Jan 2005 21:48 UTC

> The Buddha said, "life is suffering." And this was BEFORE computers. He had no idea.

How true...
Computers solve only problems, which you wouldn't have without them. ;)

I enjoyed the article. And it was something different than the usual news, so it was unexpected but a good read nonetheless.

Re: i liked it
by Devon on Wed 12th Jan 2005 22:12 UTC

...describing ms as "maya" is overkill, though.

Not for those of us for which it is not overkill. ;)

I rather liked the article, though I agree that he needs to make the actual notes available too. The author is not the only one who attaches some spiritual significance to his journey into Linux. Computers are such a central and integral part of my life, work and play, that it seems impossible not to.

Why?
by Alwin Henseler on Wed 12th Jan 2005 22:25 UTC

Nice, short article rehashing the always-important question: why?

If you want to find out if something is worth investing time/money/effort in, it is this question you should keep asking. In a kid-style manner, take the answer, and repeat the question for that. Then take the next answer, and re-ask. And so forth. The answers may not satisfy you, but help define your problem more clearly.

A friend of mine asked me some time ago to help with setting up some webpages (photo-album style), with a 'private area', and a 'split entrance' because he wanted to share the ISP account with somebody else. I had no problem in sinking some time in it, as long as I knew what for. So I asked him: Why? Why this? Why that? A couple of mails back and forth showed that he couldn't even explain what he wanted to archieve, why he wanted to do it. So I asked him to think about that, and contact me again when he knew. Nothing happened since, no webpages created. Should I feel sorry for not helping out here? I think not. I am glad to help somebody with the 'how' of a problem, or turn some answers into solutions, but the underlying 'why?' often looks like 'what should I do with my life?'. And that is really one question everybody should figure out for themselves.

It's interesting to note, that for many people it is really hard to think about that 'why?'. Why not switch to Linux, or *BSD, or by a Mac? (answer). Okay, why? (another answer). Okay, why is that a problem? With 0 time wasted on messing with distro choice or re-partitioning harddrives, people just find it too hard to think about why they want something. A major cause for the masses of clueless Windows-users, I think.

So the author states it was worth the effort to learn about Linux, because sticking with Microsoft offerings would have been worse. OK, but this may not be true for others. Secondly, assuming that this is the case for others, is an even bigger mistake. Never forget to ask about the why, the answer helps you fill in the 'how' for making somebody happy with your input.

Re: Alwin Henseler
by Darius on Wed 12th Jan 2005 22:44 UTC

So the author states it was worth the effort to learn about Linux, because sticking with Microsoft offerings would have been worse. OK, but this may not be true for others.

Well, as a friend of mine likes to say: "I don't like Windows. I like what I can RUN on Windows." It just doesn't get any more simple than that, does it?

excellent
by tech_user on Wed 12th Jan 2005 22:57 UTC

i love it - he captures he almost ritualistic self flagellation of googling, maillisting, man-paging, HOWTOing, updating, recompiling, relinking, distro-agony...

at 3 years, all is wonder and colours are good
at 10 years, windows clicks and pops, as it should

at 15 years, his puter crashes and dies
can't email his girlfriend, cries

at 20, l33t master is he
windows no he does use, l1nux and bsd

then 30, jaded, tired of shaolin shadowboxin
wants to just email and browse and just stay in
days of ninja textedits and cobra-compiles are gone
playing tetris and frozen bubble, and phoning his mom

after divorse, death and therapy, renwed is his vision
thoughts shoot darts with precisions
no, not beos or macosX, no, no fashine
el maestro baile con un lisp machine

Cool :)
by Ravi on Wed 12th Jan 2005 23:08 UTC

Lol ;) I loved the article. I particularly like the parts about the 'ashram of google' and comparing linux and zen.
This article rocks, I love it.

PS: what is 'Maya'? I've never heard that term before except with reference to the 3D graphics program.
Great article. rofl ;)

RE tech_user
by Ace on Wed 12th Jan 2005 23:28 UTC

Yes, good article.

Hey tech_user, that's a very apt IP address you have there.

Great article!
by Receding Hairlines on Wed 12th Jan 2005 23:33 UTC

This was a freaking great article.

It would be neat to read those notes, though!

On the mountain of Zen
by zauglossa on Thu 13th Jan 2005 00:04 UTC

And I was up there, on the mountain. Everything so peacefull, and quiet, and there was just the wind blowing by my ears. And then I open my eyes and there is the Pinguin in front of me. I knee down in front of him, and say:"Hai!!! Master Tux, rekishi tzumaranai!!! But all he does is keeping his eyes closed and and whisper: Zeeeeen..... Then I wake up all of a sudden in front of my machine, and I'm thinking:"Sh*t, I ran out of p*t again!!!"

re:WTF
by Stu on Thu 13th Jan 2005 00:11 UTC

@The Dude

I suppose you were never a noob were you?
People have to start somewhere. As the great unwashed start to look at linux they will need to take a similar approach to the author.

Some early adopters hate to see the masses muscle in on their little partly.
If linux is going to be adopted the masses need to find an easy way up the 'mountain'

Refreshing
by bman08 on Thu 13th Jan 2005 00:24 UTC

A refreshing change from the seemingly endless supply of 'Random Installer still needs work because it doesn't detect foo on my x-year-old laptop'.

wtf is that about ?
by raver31 on Thu 13th Jan 2005 00:39 UTC

that article freaked me out. as you regulars know, I always get called a linux zealot etc etc
but after reading that, I get a clear insight into the general populations view that linux users are all stinking hippies ;)
I will repartion my drives after I type this and immediately install Windows XP, and send an apology email to Mr Gates telling him I will never stray again.


BTW - For the usual muppets with no sense of humour who hang around her... this whole post is sarcasm

WTF
by anon on Thu 13th Jan 2005 00:59 UTC

I like tidlewinks!

Enjoyed Reading
by Zan Lynx on Thu 13th Jan 2005 01:15 UTC

I enjoyed reading it. At first it seemed like another newbie's experience with Linux. Then the zen bits came in and made it interesting. Thanks.

Great Article
by fz105 on Thu 13th Jan 2005 02:16 UTC

I loved this article, and the comments that followed were most amusing! Though the haters would have you believe differently, the article was excellent! The funny thing is how much it depicts my own my personal experience! Very well done! And one comment I found very funny, well two:

1) 'Say What?' by chris:
He start by, "How did this article make it onto OSNews?"...and then finishes with, "...has this site become OSStoryTime.com?" (I thought his comment was very funny)

2) 'excellent' by tech_user:
The poem, haiku, rhyme, or what ever, after his short comment was particularly amusing!

3) 'in the begining' by peragrin:
His haiku was also very interesting!!

So great article, and comments that followed just as good!

a moment of zen
by Elijah Buck on Thu 13th Jan 2005 05:47 UTC

I liked it. It was a little relaxing, after having just struggled with postfix...and then stopped struggling...because I got a kernel panic and couldn't continue my ssh session. fun.

fresh indeed
by phoenix on Thu 13th Jan 2005 09:08 UTC

Great article, one of the sort I would never expect on this site. It points out a very valuable aspect of computers: they show you with blinding obviousness that the source of all your frustrations is actually between your ears...

enjoyed it
by dpi on Thu 13th Jan 2005 10:04 UTC

Thanks for sharing.

Or maybe, instead of all this zen stuff-
by Yaniv on Thu 13th Jan 2005 13:42 UTC

The kind writer could makehis linux answers available to all?

re: Or maybe, instead of all this zen stuff-
by hmmm on Thu 13th Jan 2005 16:22 UTC

I don't think you understood the article. Read it again. The mountain of Linux answers doesn't exist, because the answer is for you to climb the mountain, not read a story about it.

Once you do it all on your own, google the answers, solve the problems, etc. Then you will know the truth. That there really is no mountain, it was all in your head.

RE: WTF?
by John Nilsson on Thu 13th Jan 2005 23:25 UTC

Was posting this really needed?

Yes it was. I was acutally move to tears by this text. The most beautiful thing I have read in a long time.

A big thanks to James for that.

OSNews: exploring the future of computing
by Anonymous on Fri 14th Jan 2005 00:11 UTC

oh wait, we just post from someone's blog now....

Article (positive feedback)
by Sarge on Fri 14th Jan 2005 17:41 UTC

Nice article! Having a great deal of facination with Eastern philosophy myself, I found the article very "enlightening." I liken Linux to a Harley: if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand. Not sure why others didn't like the article. Some people are just hard to please.