Linked by David Adams on Tue 1st Feb 2005 19:10 UTC
Internet & Networking 1.0 versions of Voice over IP application Skype have been released for Linux and OS X. They've been in Beta for several months. These versions seem to have feature parity with the Windows versions, and cross-platform communication is possible.
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Heh
by Ilyak on Tue 1st Feb 2005 19:17 UTC

As far as i know, Skype for windows refuses even to install if SoftICE and such are installed on PC.

Do linux Skype have protection against straceing or gdb'ing in?..

Great!
by Jonatan Andersson on Tue 1st Feb 2005 19:19 UTC

Skype will revolutionize the social lifes for geeks and non-geeks alike, but specially true for geeks, for theri potential lack of social life.



And now finaly a 1.0 for Linux, I've tried it several months ago on several GNU/Linux installations, but I couldn't get the microphones to work with Skype. I hope that it will work better for me now.

apple should buy skype
by Paco De Lucia on Tue 1st Feb 2005 19:25 UTC

Imagine the apple voip on ipod -> mac -> linux -> windows via skype ....

Skype is great!!
by Ricardo on Tue 1st Feb 2005 19:28 UTC

When webcam support is added to the program it will be the best.

gdb
by blk on Tue 1st Feb 2005 19:31 UTC

try banning gdb from a linux machine.. well if you know how to use soft-ice you probably know how to circumvent the soft-ice check ;)

Re Great
by Morty on Tue 1st Feb 2005 19:33 UTC

>Skype will revolutionize the social lifes for geeks and non-geeks alike, but specially true for geeks, for theri >potential lack of social life.
Not sure on this one, you still need someone to actually talk to:-)

>I couldn't get the microphones to work
Had the same problem, someting strange with the setup on my Mandrake box. Had to play around with alsamixer to get it working. Not entirely sure how, but it initially sent the mic signal directly to the output and did not register as input. Actually no sound recording from mic worked.

RE: Ricardo
by Flatline on Tue 1st Feb 2005 19:37 UTC

"When webcam support is added to the program it will be the best."

As far as I know, there are no plans at the moment to add videoconferencing to Skype.

Europe Only
by Smartpatrol on Tue 1st Feb 2005 20:13 UTC

This seems to be a european thing and there is a per call basis charge? I am sure its a great deal in Europe but can't see that i would want to use it here in the states.

@smartpatrol
by Mathman on Tue 1st Feb 2005 20:19 UTC

It's not just a european thing. And it only costs money when you use it to call an acutal telephone. If you're just contacting another skype user then it's completely free. But even when it does cost you money their rates are pretty good compared to normal long distance charges.

Skype seems to be cool
by Sérgio Machado on Tue 1st Feb 2005 20:26 UTC

I use Beta 0.94.xxx and works fine to me ;) in Gentoo GNU/Linux

Re: Re Great
by jrlah on Tue 1st Feb 2005 20:27 UTC

>I couldn't get the microphones to work
Had the same problem, someting strange with the setup on my Mandrake box. Had to play around with alsamixer to get it working. Not entirely sure how, but it initially sent the mic signal directly to the output and did not register as input. Actually no sound recording from mic worked.


Try enabling the "Capture" in audio input in your favorite audio mixer. I use Skype 0.94 on Linux (FC3) with AC97 and alsa and it works beautifully.

RE: Re: Great
by nuno on Tue 1st Feb 2005 20:44 UTC

Skype will revolutionize the social lifes for geeks and non-geeks alike, but specially true for geeks, for theri potential lack of social life.

Not sure on this one, you still need someone to actually talk to:-)


try echo123
>:P

/usr/share/skype is root allowed only

simple chroot -R 755 /usr/share/skype solves the problem
My buest guess is that they forgot to make %dir directive, but unfortunatelly there's no src.rpm to correct mistake:)

skype is ace
by Dimble on Tue 1st Feb 2005 21:28 UTC

i use it on XP and SUSE, great way to keep in touch with peeps.

Standards?
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Feb 2005 21:33 UTC

Nobody here seems to care that Skype is trying to establish its own VoIP standard - as if there were none...

@peeps
by Smartpatrol on Tue 1st Feb 2005 21:35 UTC

i use it on XP and SUSE, great way to keep in touch with peeps.

I forgot! it is the time of the year for peeps. I like the traditional yellow ones better then the new colors they have come out with in recent years.

Standards?
by bobbob on Tue 1st Feb 2005 22:12 UTC

No, because it works: for me, my friends and for my 85 year old granny.

I'll take your open source equivalent when it is that easy to use.

bb

skype vs. voip
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Feb 2005 22:32 UTC

my flatmate wanted to use skype on my notebook today. easy to setup, create account, connect with her friend. however, they could not really talk, as half of the words were being dropped.

i already had voip (linphone) on my computer, the other party had it set up in 15min and he's not a geek. the connection is ok, they are still talking. i don't evn know, what kind of sw he uses! ;)

Linux version
by Viro on Tue 1st Feb 2005 22:56 UTC

Too bad the only Linux version available is the x86 one. This leaves people who use other architectures out of the picture, which is too bad.

Re: bobbob (IP: ---.range81-154.btcentralplus.com)
by Jay on Tue 1st Feb 2005 23:06 UTC

No, because it works: for me, my friends and for my 85 year old granny.

I'll take your open source equivalent when it is that easy to use.


You don't seem to understand standards. Skype could have developed a closed source, user friendly VoIP by using existing, open standards that have existed for a while. If the current standards lacked something essential, they could have worked with organizations to fix them.

Instead they went and created their own standard (probably to prevent competition).

Sucks to be you when they lock you in with not only their propreitary software but proprietary standard.

Skype
by Cheapskate on Tue 1st Feb 2005 23:36 UTC

no mention of spyware, or Skype's history of spyware, just check out slashdot.org's comments about Skype...

@Jay
by t3kn0lu5t on Wed 2nd Feb 2005 01:09 UTC

The only people that give a damn about tech standards are the technically inclined, and we might be 5% of the user base for a product like Skype. Besides, it's not like the ma bells where there is physical infrastructure. If they start doing evil things with their price or their service people will just go to a competitor.

RE: Heh
by Anonymous on Wed 2nd Feb 2005 01:10 UTC

> Do linux Skype have protection against straceing or gdb'ing in?..

Yes, one of the few linux binaries with real antidebugging techniques implemented...

More on Standards
by Someone on Wed 2nd Feb 2005 02:24 UTC

Skype is true peer to peer voice chat network. This is a totally different approach to existing VOIP networks like SIP or H.323, neither of which work behind a NAT.

Its not just a matter of tweaking an existing standard to get around all the existing problems. The existing standards are backed by big multinationals with their own products. They aren't going to accomodate a small player like Skype and seem uninterested in distributed networks.

I'm yet to see another VOIP solution that works as well as Skype does for the average user. The vast majority of voice, video and chat protocols are already protected and poorly documented. I don't see what one more is.

At least skype looks like having a viable business model based around cheaper international calls. This is in contrast to other VOIP players who sell networking hardware, operating systems or expensive VOIP solutions for your office.

Heh
by Ilyak on Wed 2nd Feb 2005 06:31 UTC

>Yes, one of the few linux binaries with real antidebugging techniques implemented...

Wow! And what is the protection? How would it work - die on SIGTRACE?
How does it react on straceing?

RE: t3kn0lu5t
by ken on Wed 2nd Feb 2005 06:58 UTC

The only people that give a damn about tech standards are the technically inclined, and we might be 5% of the user base for a product like Skype. Besides, it's not like the ma bells where there is physical infrastructure. If they start doing evil things with their price or their service people will just go to a competitor.

Yes, I agree. I think if Skype starts playing monkey football with it's prices, people will start to jump ship. Their current free p2p, pc to phone int'l rate plan seems like a good model for survival. Standards? None of my friends who use Skype seems to care (I figure that's a good representation of the user base, no?). I must say though, I am most impressed with it.

P2P phone....
by Anonymous on Wed 2nd Feb 2005 07:59 UTC

The voice over p2p is a nice try, but every time I have relays between me and my correspondant, it introduces delays and it's just too painful to use. So if one has to open a door in the firewall to really enjoy voice com, why not stay with VoIP?

Also, a nice thing with Skype is encrypted IM and encrypted file exchange. But how safe is it? There has been quite a lot of talk about this and there is a pretty big weak link with the way they centralize everything.

Nobody here seems to care that Skype is trying to establish its own VoIP standard - as if there were none...

I do, even though I hear you, SomeOne.

The problem might be that there's no clients as neat and userfriendly as Skype. Yeah KPhone and others, but none do the job as conveniently as Skype. There's one, though, lookin good, phonegaim. That would be MUCH nicer than Skype , since you can have your MSN, Yahoo or whatever in the same program, and it can be buildt to have video-support aswell. Unfortunately there's no rpms for my system, and it's tricky to build it on most systems. I wish someone could build good gaim-packages with both phonegaim (SIP) and video support in it. That would be a killer.