Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 7th Feb 2005 06:56 UTC
Slackware, Slax Pat just released Slackware 10.1. This is the last version of Slackware to include the 2.4.x line of Linux kernels. Slackware 11 will have major changes/additions to its sub-system, according to Pat.
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Damn it!
by Corey on Mon 7th Feb 2005 07:06 UTC

I just downloaded 10!

Nice
by Mike on Mon 7th Feb 2005 07:18 UTC

Always nice to see Slackware in the headlines. Of course 10.1 is as good as expected 8-)

TIME TO UPGRADE!
by Assasin For Atari on Mon 7th Feb 2005 07:29 UTC

Though I just got my machine the way I wanted it on 10...an upgrade to 10.1 shouldn't be bad. I have upgraded via cd before and its never been a painful process for me. Though 10.1 is very good news...11 will surley be a day to rejoice for. That too and well.....Slackware has the irc channel is the world VIA LA ##SLACKWARE!

Still 2.4!
by Ché Kristo on Mon 7th Feb 2005 07:42 UTC

I am glad that Pat hasn't pushed through kernel 2.6 on this one...shouldn't cause too many headaches.

v where 2 download?
by anonymous on Mon 7th Feb 2005 08:27 UTC
RE: Damn it!
by zulik on Mon 7th Feb 2005 08:29 UTC

Corey use "swaret" !

re: where 2 download?
by anonymous on Mon 7th Feb 2005 08:37 UTC

ok, sorry, found the bittorrent. I looked at every mirror 1st, but not at the main index page of www.slackware.com

shame on me ;-)

Re: where 2 download?
by bsdrocks on Mon 7th Feb 2005 08:41 UTC

no mirror has it? and ftp.slackware.com is slow as usual ;-)

http://slackware.com/getslack/
http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml

no even a bittorrent link?

http://www.slackware.com/torrents/index.html

Everything that I found links were from in the front page of http://www.slackware.com .

slackware in gnome
by Carlos on Mon 7th Feb 2005 08:50 UTC

It seems Pat abandon gnome (the version in current was 2.6.1), and now only have dolphine, isn't it ?

I was a slacker for a while but move away to LFS (if we use slack to learn linux why use slack and not LFS ?)

SATA enabled bootdisk
by jarlea on Mon 7th Feb 2005 09:28 UTC

Tried to install 10.0 on a brand new machine with a SATA harddrive yesterday, with no luck. I see that 10.1 includes a SATA enabled bootdisk, so this is good news for me. (I also got a job offer today, so this monday scores 10 out of 10 so far.)

Now we'll just have to wait for the mirrors to finish syncing. My local Norwegian mirror started syncing half an hour ago.

I pre-ordered it
by Anonymous on Mon 7th Feb 2005 09:40 UTC

I pre-ordered 10.1 in order to help Pat with his medical expenses. I've been using Slack for one year now, and it's just incomparably better than any other distribution, as soon as you've an x86 processor and are really motivated to learn the internals of a gnulinux system. Slackware has good stability and up-to-date packages, which is rare. And it's non-bureaucratic, in that package management and system configuration tools are kept to the minimum, which means that you're free to play with whatever part of the system and tweak it or replace it, just as you like it. Slackware is the distro that's closest to LFS, yet you can install it in half an hour.

RE: I pre-ordered it
by Jasper on Mon 7th Feb 2005 10:09 UTC

I'm downloading it now, but I have ordered it minutes ago. Just to sponsor Patrick!

"Slackware is the distro that's closest to LFS, yet you can install it in half an hour."
That's right, installing a complete system and a succesfull kernel update within 45 minutes. Can you do that with any other distro?

RE: can you do it with any other distro?
by Anonymous on Mon 7th Feb 2005 10:32 UTC

Linspire's is the fastest i've ever seen... Ubuntu is under 45 mins too.

RE: can you do it with any other distro?
by Jasper on Mon 7th Feb 2005 10:47 UTC

But can you do a full install AND compile your own kernel?
Instead of apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9 (in Ubuntu)? I don't think so.

RE: can you do it with any other distro
by Anonymous on Mon 7th Feb 2005 10:51 UTC

Ubuntu is gnome only though, which means less to install. If you only want the essentials, I can do a slack install in two minutes flat, maybe one. Bootup in ~30s, partition with cfdisk in 5s, accept defaults for target partitions, 10s if that making filesystems, package seletion - all from each diskset, then only diskset a, a couple of seconds, then maybe 5 to uncompress everything. Dhcp on nic, default bootscripts, current kernel, lilo on superblock (faster), default config, (all but one of these are defaults so press enter before the screen comes up), done.

RE: can you do it with any other distro?
by akbar on Mon 7th Feb 2005 11:03 UTC

what do you mean by a full install, jasper??? you can compile your own kernel too after installing ubuntu under 45 minutes ( depend on hardware actually )

Slackware Handbook
by sucrge on Mon 7th Feb 2005 11:14 UTC

And then there's the http://www.slackersbible.org>Slackware ...

oops...
by sucrge on Mon 7th Feb 2005 11:16 UTC

Wow that didn't come out right at all ;) Sorry! The Slackware Handbook is at http://www.slackersbible.org

maintaining
by Mike on Mon 7th Feb 2005 13:17 UTC

Is Pat going to maintain stable now, or is he going to continue only updating -current? 10.0 hadn't seen updates in months, but will 10.1 be different?

I realize that he's busy and has problems, but we still deserve to know in advance, especially if we're going to buy boxes.

Re: maintaining
by puntdraad on Mon 7th Feb 2005 13:36 UTC

That's exactly my question. I'm running a 9.1 server currently and I want a version which I can rely on official security updates. The last unofficial updates for it were released months ago.

If this is another unmaintained Slackware version, I will switch to another distro. I'd like to have some kind of official statement on this from the man himself. The official security mailinglist could be used for that.

I can understand that Pat has limited time and energy to work on Slackware, but I would like at least one maintained version.

@Re:Re:maintaining
by Zorro on Mon 7th Feb 2005 14:43 UTC

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If this is another unmaintained Slackware version, I will switch to another distro. I'd like to have some kind of official statement on this from the man himself. The official security mailinglist could be used for that.
</>

Then switch to another distro,nobody keeps you locked in Slack world.

@Re:Re:maintaining
by Mike on Mon 7th Feb 2005 14:50 UTC

"Then switch to another distro,nobody keeps you locked in Slack world."

Nobody implied that I was. I just want to know one way or another what I'm getting into.

WiFi?
by harper on Mon 7th Feb 2005 14:52 UTC

i wonder if there will be built-in support for WiFi? It would be nice to not have to muck about with NDSwrapper.

RE: can you do it with any other distro
by emagius on Mon 7th Feb 2005 14:54 UTC

You can easily beat those times with OpenBSD (and probably NetBSD as well). On the Pentium IIIs in the lab, the full installation (including X) takes under 10 minutes (possibly under 5), and kernel compilation only takes a few more.

is gnome already removed???
by akbar on Mon 7th Feb 2005 14:59 UTC

is gnome desktop already removed in this version???

Re: can you do it with any other distro?
by Altan on Mon 7th Feb 2005 15:02 UTC

Yeah, though it's not Linux, you can install a FreeBSD system and compile your own kernel in under 45-30 minutes.

Other distro?
by benn on Mon 7th Feb 2005 15:20 UTC

That's right, installing a complete system and a succesfull kernel update within 45 minutes. Can you do that with any other distro?

Try arch Linux. I always suggest it. It's installs are amazingly fast.

What majors changes/additions are planned?
by Pierre on Mon 7th Feb 2005 16:10 UTC

Slackware 11 will have major changes/additions to its sub-system, according to Pat.

Being curious, what changes are planned or discussed, where did you see information on this?

Thanks,
P.

RE: TIME TO UPGRADE!
by nemith on Mon 7th Feb 2005 16:11 UTC

That too and well.....Slackware has the irc channel is the world VIA LA ##SLACKWARE!

You can also check out #slackware on irc.oftc.net. I won't claim that it is the world or anything, but I will promise you that we'll try to speak better english ;)

@Pierre
by Best on Mon 7th Feb 2005 16:40 UTC

Slackware 11 is going to have the removal of Gnome. Right now Gnome in Slackware hasn't been updated in a long time (still 2.6.1). I'm not sure what additions are being made. I wouldn't be surprised to see bittorrent be moved into the main distro.

sata
by pwe on Mon 7th Feb 2005 18:00 UTC

is slack 10.1 sata enabled?:) i may choice kernel 2.6 on instalation?

short beta-testing, suitable for live servers?
by tech_user on Mon 7th Feb 2005 18:23 UTC

should i use this for live servers, considering the short beta-testng period. or is this a small bug-fix update for 10.0 with no major subsystem changes?
ps -i'm talking about a headless (no X) server with cron jobs, running python/zope/plone.

RE: can you do it with any other distro?
by jasper on Mon 7th Feb 2005 18:31 UTC

What I mean with a full install? X11 with both KDE and Gnome.
But being hardware specific: I have a P3 and I can do a full install of Slackware and compile my own kernel with 45 minutes. And I wasn't able to do that with neither Ubuntu or regular Debian.

@pwe
by Best on Mon 7th Feb 2005 20:01 UTC

This release does have several moderate to large changes. I don't expect there are any changes that would cause any problems for a headless server, although python has been updated, which may cause some headaches.

USB malloc() bug
by Chuckles Barnes on Mon 7th Feb 2005 21:27 UTC

Slackware was the first distribution I ever used (3.something or other) so it holds a special place in my heart.
That's why I really hope this new release addresses the dreaded USB malloc() bug.

Way to go Pat! I'm off to the mirrors!

Chuck-

snail mail
by Cheapskate on Mon 7th Feb 2005 22:53 UTC

i just went to the US Post Office and made out a money order for 45 dollars to Slackware Linux and sent it to the following address:

Slackware Linux
1164 Claremont Dr
Brentwood Ca 94513

Slackware 10.1 39.95
Shipping (US) 5.00

i think Pat deserves it.

Re: short beta-testing, suitable for live servers?
by puntdraad on Tue 8th Feb 2005 00:05 UTC

A lot of users are running Slackware-current (the development version) during active development. So much of the testing does take place during the whole development cycle. Therefore a long beta test period is not really necessary. You could use it on your server. Maybe it is better to wait for a couple of weeks and read forums like linuxquestions.org. Within a few weeks you will have a good insight in shortcommings of this release, if any. Most of the times the problems posted on those forums is a clear case of PEBKAC. I do not expect any major problems.

RE: can you do it with any other distro?
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Feb 2005 01:58 UTC

yeah... maybe you re-install your distro every week, personally last time I made a full install was in august 2003. a daily automatic upgrade (à la debian o gentoo), without the need of waiting the release and re-install is much better than "my distro is ready in 45 minutes"

Re: can you do it with any other distro?
by eightiesdude on Tue 8th Feb 2005 04:04 UTC

Same here its been awhile since i reinstalled debian on my computer. When I was using MandrakeLinux one of things that I do not miss is waiting for the next release to come out. Its easy to get used to apt-get.

RE: can you do it with any other distro?
by Tobi Lehman on Tue 8th Feb 2005 04:25 UTC

I only use Gentoo, Debian, and sometimes Slackware. The reason is just that, an automated update/install system is a better tool than having to wait for releases from the distributer. I like to use swaret and slapt-get to update and install things on slackware. But, to each his own. I will no longer try to convice anyone of anything, because it doesnt work and it will get me nowhere, so happy Slacking!!

swaret vs. slapt-get
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Feb 2005 05:23 UTC

I like to use swaret and slapt-get to update and install things on slackware.

What's the difference between swaret and slapt-get and why do you need both?

slack..
by anonymous on Tue 8th Feb 2005 15:14 UTC

sorry but a minimal slackware installation beats all other leading distros in installation time.. (and space) (and security)... trust me.. I have tried almost all awailable distros for many many years... maybe not the easiest to setup for newbines.... but the most stable one..

eightiesdude:
by AdamW on Tue 8th Feb 2005 16:29 UTC

it would've been much easier to get used to 'urpmi --auto-select' and not bothered learning an entirely new distro. ah well, whatever you like.

RE: RE: Damn it!
by GP on Tue 8th Feb 2005 22:17 UTC

Zulik answered:

Corey use "swaret" !

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One wonders why The Little Man went for slackpkg instead of swaret. After one year without any new release, it's still the best. The Little Man is sick... in the head. Here's my opinion I just posted on aols:

John Bleichert wrote:

> GP <gilpel@inverse.nretla.org> wrote:
>
>> Olive wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Have you tried to make a Debian
>>> package? This is much more complicated than making a Slackware package.
>>
>>
>> Swaret does a wonderful job at checking dependencies with standard tgz packages. Why don't you do a minimum check before you speak?
>>
>> GP
>>
>
>
> What the previous poster was stating was that some people prefer to
> live in the absence of dependency checking.


And what prevents you from *NOT* checking dependencies even if swaret is
included? What's the point in including a lame tool such as slackpak when
pkgtool is allready part of Slackware?

Some self-proclaimed experts trolls have claimed here that they experienced
problems with swaret, but never did they point out the fundamental design flaw
or coding errors.

Sooo... could it just be that The Little Man is loosing control of his
upper wheels, just like he did when he subbornly refused to reestablish the
link /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom in Slack 8.0 and 8.1 ? There was no way the cdrom
could work out of the Slack box and there was no way it could have escaped The
Little Man's attention. I even wrote to him about it, only to receive a load of shit, as already noted here.

But hey, the trolls say, just download Swaret if you like it. Final.

Is this any way to recognize the most important contribution ever made to
Slackware? There hasn't been a new version of Swaret for one year now, and
still, it has no equal. Is this denial of the effort of a major contributor
any way to encourage more top people to participate to Slackware?

In the last entry to the changelog, The Little Man likes to brag about all
the contribution he receives. Still, stable 10, the version that should be
used on servers, has gone unmaintained from November 1st to 10.1, February 2nd.

Some people say they can do the upgrades themselves, and they're absolutely right. But then, of everubody is to maintain its own distro loke The Little Man does, what's the point of using Slackware in the first place? Is this what people generally expect from a distro?

The Little Man's signature on messages saying upgrades from GUS Brazil were to
be trusted, just didn't check. Now, Al C, who doesn't know what a mounting
point is and says he has discussions with The Little Man, offers signed
messages whose's signature check OK. Whose's to be trusted?

Why don't I just move to another distro, the trolls say. Because, I think if
it wasn't for The Little Man's fits, contributors would gather and Slackware would have the perfect development model. (That's why I'm using it myself.) Slackware can't easily subverted into endless debates like Debian to output a new version every 3 years.

Also, Slackware being the oldest Linux distro -- it was even used by NASA for the ISS in 1997(1) -- it was ever to fail, Linux would be portrayed as an OS supported by some "freaks" who should in no way be considered as serious ventures.

(1) The first module would finally be lauched only in November 1998, but:
http://www2.linuxjournal.com/article/3024

That's why I believe that The Little Man's so-called excentricities shouldn't be accepted as idiosyncracies by self-proclaimed old-timers trolls, but described precisely to the last consequences.

GP

gnome broken on 10.1?
by cipria on Thu 10th Feb 2005 21:05 UTC

well...I downloaded slack 10.1 cd 1 & 2. Install went ok, after rebooting i compiled kernel for my machine (amd64 3500+).
Well everything works as expected except gnome. The panel crash immediately and keep crashing ad libitum. So it's practically unusable. BTW I installed everything so I'm pretty sure its not a mistake on my part.

Really shocking...a "buggy" slackware? No, I can't possibly believe it!!!