posted by Almafeta on Tue 8th May 2007 02:15
Conversations I think that this should qualify as a bug... two of the posts in the SkyOS thread which were locked down as -5 by the system were actually being voted up by OSNews readers at the time they were locked, which indicates its accuracy isn't all that hot.

Besides, if posts can be automatically declared 'trollish', shouldn't this be checked before the post is added to the conversation?
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by Adam S on Tue 8th May 2007 13:17 UTC
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As I've said before, there are two ways a post can be locked. One is if certain circumstances exist during a mod-down. I'm not going into the details, but the system can and does auto-lock posts given certain criteria.

Secondly, an admin can lock a post at any point, at any score. I do not recall ever seeing an admin locked post at anything but -5. As far as I'm concerned, one of the things you surrender on an admin run site is that complete control.

We could simply remove the posts. We could just hide them. We could just remove abilities from our users. But now you can see these things in action.

I don't think this makes for a bug. I think this transparency is good.

And, of course, I just want to remind you that post-locking has been around since v3 was rolled out. We just didn't show it in the UI.

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RE: Response
by Anonymous Penguin on Tue 8th May 2007 18:04 in reply to "Response"
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2005-07-06

As I have already said, I had never come across a locked post before. I insist, I find the overall idea a bit odd to say the least. It is a well known fact that I was against peer moderation since the beginning, but once you have it there shouldn't be any rule which is blatantly against the basic principle: that is like saying that one moderator, or worse, a program, are wiser than the thousands of OSNews readers.
I want to quote another comment, in order to make my point clearer:

Johann Chua wrote:

"Repeat after me: The Internet is NOT a democracy. Moderators are not fascists or dictators. Your civil rights are not in danger."

I agree. Using a forum is much more like playing a game. Every game has a set of rules, and you expect them to be fairly consistent across the board, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

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RE[2]: Response
by Adam S on Tue 8th May 2007 19:14 in reply to "RE: Response"
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2005-04-01

You have almost certainly come across a locked post. However, you didn't realize it was locked because it was at -5 and below your threshold. And if not, it was almost certainly not something you decided to mod back up. And furthermore, it wouldn't tell you it was locked.

To prove my point, the first locked comment is this one: http://www4.osnews.com/permalink?46 from 7/6/05. There are not too many others in the db. Like I said - admins use it very sparingly and the right conditions must exist for it to happen automatically.

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RE[3]: Response
by Anonymous Penguin on Tue 8th May 2007 19:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Response"
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2005-07-06

"However, you didn't realize it was locked because it was at -5 and below your threshold. And if not, it was almost certainly not something you decided to mod back up."

My threshold has always been -5.
The second point makes sense and it is very likely what happened.

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