posted by Michael on Tue 18th Mar 2008 12:30
Conversations Title says it all really. It seems daft that the people most interested in a particular story are actively prevented from moderating it. What's more, I can mod comments until I comment myself. So should I make sure I've got all my moderating done before I comment?

What this does is accentuate the existing problem of "the earlier you comment, the higher you will be modded". I come back to see if there are any more comments in a thread I commented on, and find there are but I can only reply to them - I can't mod them up. So all the people down the bottom of the page are at their initial score, because the only people who are reading those comments can't mod them.
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Enough already
by Adam S on Tue 18th Mar 2008 13:44 UTC
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

The mod system is what it is. We may change it, we may not, but grousing about it in conversations is getting old.

If you don't like the current policy, worry not, there are plenty of other mod points out there for other users to do the policing.

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RE: Enough already
by sonic2000gr on Wed 19th Mar 2008 06:18 in reply to "Enough already"
sonic2000gr Member since:
2007-05-20

It is. however, downright silly, when people replying to posts have to ask "will someone please mod up the parent..."

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RE[2]: Enough already
by sbergman27 on Fri 21st Mar 2008 03:21 in reply to "RE: Enough already"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

The thing is, it's also silly for mod ups and mod downs to have different rules:

3 Apples - 2 Oranges = 1?

So allowing mod ups by thread participants, but not mod downs is a no go.

I say just turn the system loose and let people make of it what they will. In the end, it's a popularity contest. And it really doesn't do any good to pretend that it's not. Or that just the right set of restrictions will make it something else. Proclaim loudly that it's a popularity contest and let it be just that.

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RE: Enough already
by BiPolar on Wed 19th Mar 2008 12:13 in reply to "Enough already"
BiPolar Member since:
2007-07-06

It sounds like a quite reasonable complain to me (and one that is shared by many readers).

I did not found the wording to be harsh, so... what is what makes you upset? feedback?

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RE: Enough already
by dimosd on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 11:10 in reply to "Enough already"
dimosd Member since:
2006-02-10

If you don't like the current policy, worry not, there are plenty of other mod points out there for other users to do the policing.


It's not just the numbers of votes that counts, it's also who cares to vote. This system is bringing mod points closer to random noise.

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RE[2]: Enough already
by Adam S on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 13:47 in reply to "RE: Enough already"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

This system is bringing mod points closer to random noise.


No it's not.

Everyone listen closely, because this is the final word: the purpose of the mod system is only to do one thing: remove crap comments so that they aren't part of the normal flow of conversation.

This mod system accomplishes that goal easily. No one user not being able to moderate changes that.

People have complained about moderation since the first site that used it existed, but our goals are met with the current system.

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RE[3]: Enough already
by dimosd on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 16:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Enough already"
dimosd Member since:
2006-02-10

I see. We are seeing score from a different perspective - "I agree" vs "report spam"

In that case maybe mod up/down should be replaced by something more descriptive like "(un)report abuse"

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RE: Enough already
by Michael on Sun 23rd Mar 2008 00:34 in reply to "Enough already"
Michael Member since:
2005-07-01

Hello,

Sorry, I didn't mean for anyone to take this too seriously. I obviously don't expect to be able to demand changes to the site or anything like that. I was just pointing out an irritation. And then expanding on it for no good reason. I didn't really expect any response from (Staff). At least, not until a few more people had stuck their noses in.

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Agree
by Alex Forster on Fri 21st Mar 2008 07:24 UTC
Alex Forster
Member since:
2005-08-12

I don't post comments very often, but I just now got bit by this trying to moderate a comment completely unrelated to mine, and it annoyed me enough to come here and voice my agreeance.

It's unreasonable to flat out demand you change this back, but please at least assess how well its helping/hurting moderation abuse before shooting down our request. Can you quantitatively say that all the contempt you're building toward your moderation system is really worth it?

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