posted by kaiwai on Wed 10th Sep 2008 22:06
Conversations This has been a shocking week, I've had a look through the comments, looked at the points deducted - and I don't see a single comment I have made to warrant such moderation. Quite frankly, if this keeps up, I'll be leaving. It is getting as pathetic as digg crossed with slashdot because Adam and the likes don't have the backbone to get rid of these 'drive by moderators' who have multiple sock puppets to avoid the moderation rules.

Adam, provide with a contact so that I can eventually get this account deleted - because you my friend need to wake up and do something about this; this used to be my favourite website to visit, back in the good old days when Eugenia was moderating it. Now it is little more than a pathetic cesspool filled with overly sensitive fanboys.
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Groan
by Adam S on Thu 11th Sep 2008 12:39 UTC
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

No matter what one does, there are always a few people who want to moan and groan about moderation. I've read your comments before, and at this point, it's safe to say, I doubt any site will ever make you happy.

But don't personally single me out as though I had ANYTHING to do with your fellow readers wanting to silence you from their conversations. There's only one person to blame for that. There are hundreds of thousands of moderations on this site, and trust is overwhelmingly positive. Your misdirected anger at me as a programmer is indicative of the greater problem here, which is that it must be everyone else who is a problem, right?

We'd always prefer that readers stay here and take part in conversation - it's only fun when people present multiple sides of a debate. But I acknowledge that not everybody can do that without taking it personally. So we'd hate to lose you as a reader. I'd encourage you to lighten up and stop taking yourself and this site so seriously. It's a computer.

However, if you can't simply read and participate and just let it roll off your back when people don't like what you have to say, I'd be all too happy to deactivate your account. The contact information for the OSNews crew is all over the site including in the main navigation bar, so you certainly shouldn't need me to have to provide it specially for you here.

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RE: Groan
by Kroc on Thu 11th Sep 2008 20:11 in reply to "Groan"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Ever since M2, my moderations have been overall much more positive, due to the adjectives better fitting what I'd like to express. A static "-" is an easy target.

The comments != the news. If you have complaint with trolls, stick to reading the RSS feed.

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RE[2]: Groan
by Adam S on Thu 11th Sep 2008 20:13 in reply to "RE: Groan"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Furthermore, Kaiwai's trust level is overwhelmingly positive - one of the highest on the site. It would take a MASSIVE revolt to bring him down, or certainly a long string of crap do hurt him significantly.

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Well...
by fretinator on Thu 11th Sep 2008 15:02 UTC
fretinator
Member since:
2005-07-06

+1 funny

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Don't let it bother you
by google_ninja on Thu 11th Sep 2008 20:51 UTC
google_ninja
Member since:
2006-02-05

As soon as you have some sort of system, people treat it like some kind of game. What we have now is karma whoring, just like what destroyed slashdot.

More people may like it now that there is more meta moderation, but the people it attracts are morons.

I went through your comments and voted you up where I could. Honestly though, you said GCC sucks, and that gamers dont matter. Your a bright guy, so you must know that the overwhelming majority of people here are under drinking age, and rabid free software fanboys. If you disagree with that demographics fundamental belief set, expect to make enemies.

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Roll with the punches
by hollovoid on Fri 12th Sep 2008 04:57 UTC
hollovoid
Member since:
2005-09-21

Everybody gets whacked here and there for no good reason man, I think your comments are generally very well thought out, and the few people on here that take their time to give a well constructed view on the issues is what keeps me coming back here year after year. There will always be kiddies, and ridiculous fanboys. Personally I don't moderate anybody down unless they are factually wrong, or just plain rude for no reason.

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Comment by Laurence
by Laurence on Fri 12th Sep 2008 10:59 UTC
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

If you disagree with voting so much then why do you take so much notice of how people have voted your posts?

At the end of the day, people like myself have befriended you and enjoy reading your comments (and will continue to do so regardless of how many or few 'points' you've scored).
Plus those who disagree with you still read your posts and would still disagree with you even if voting wasn't enabled.

So in effect nothing changes other than virtual stock price of your comments (and we all know that a companies stock price doesn't reflect the quality of a companies products).

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idea for a moderation tweek
by Laurence on Fri 12th Sep 2008 11:06 in reply to "Comment by Laurence"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Just a thought though, maybe it should only be possible to vote down if you reply with a reason (and for trolls / spam there's a report button for the admins to remove)?

That way people are forced into explaining their disagreement (which invokes discussion) rather than blindly disagreeing (which helps no-one).

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RE: idea for a moderation tweek
by hollovoid on Fri 12th Sep 2008 13:13 in reply to "idea for a moderation tweek"
hollovoid Member since:
2005-09-21

I think thats what makes getting smashed so frustrating, its like saying "Your wrong, cause I said so" and leaving the room. If there is reasoning behind it, things come into perspective. I would much rather get that, because ya never know, seeing it in a different light may even change how you view it.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I think thats what makes getting smashed so frustrating, its like saying "Your wrong, cause I said so" and leaving the room. If there is reasoning behind it, things come into perspective. I would much rather get that, because ya never know, seeing it in a different light may even change how you view it.


agreed. i think people would be less annoyed about negative votes if they understood the voter responded with his view points

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Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

If they choose to elaborate, they can leave a comment.

What everyone ignores is that overall, the mod system WORKS. Shit is generally filtered, decent comments are often retained, once in a while people get it wrong.

It doesn't matter. On the whole, the comments are pretty clean and readable and very rarely trolled successfully.

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The problem
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 12th Sep 2008 19:39 UTC
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

People, the problem is not the moderation system.

The problem, is you.

Or, more specifically, the problem is that people actually give a rat's ass about what moderations they receive.

We can make the moderation system ever more complicated, but it won't solve a damn thing as long as people place so much value in a little number next to their comments.

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Please Leave, Please
by cyclops on Sun 14th Sep 2008 20:23 UTC
cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

Seriously go.

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