posted by kaiwai on Thu 16th Oct 2008 00:52
Conversations That does it. I've sent off an email to Thom, and I've officially quit this site. Idiots from top to bottom abusing the moderation system, lack of English comprehension when replying by some members, and worse, a lack of 'balls' to engage in a debate and instead 'fly by night' moderate'. I've had people in the past go, "well, you shouldn't worry too much" - well, I'm not worrying, but I am not going to hang around in a forum filled with idiots who can't hold a decent conversation for more than 5 minutes without resorting to name calling, company bashing and avoiding the issue.

Good bye, and good luck. Osnews.com used to be the haven from the stupidity on Kryo5hin and Slashdot, now it is has decended into nothing more than a pathetic concoction of digg crossed with boingboing. I've had a look at my 'good posts vs. Bad post' and I can tell you that there is a concerted effort over the last 2 weeks by people to moderate my posts down - no matter what I put in them.
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You may have a point
by sultanqasim on Thu 16th Oct 2008 01:25 UTC
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About excessive and over-sensitive moderation and flame wars, I must agree that OSNews is now full of that crap. What I do is I ignore the ignorant and just read OSNews for well... OS & other tech related news. If your comment is modded up, good for you. If it's modded down, don't take it personally and ignore it.

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RE: You may have a point
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Oct 2008 02:56 in reply to "You may have a point"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

About excessive and over-sensitive moderation and flame wars, I must agree that OSNews is now full of that crap. What I do is I ignore the ignorant and just read OSNews for well... OS & other tech related news. If your comment is modded up, good for you. If it's modded down, don't take it personally and ignore it.


I don't even think there should be a moderation system - its clear to me that people on this website aren't mature enough to use a system that requires a degree of restraint. I remember years ago when Eugenia moderated this manually - and did so with an iron fist. There were create contributors like Bascule, for example, who would go into depth regarding Solaris and FreeBSD. I loved coming along here for the debates and dicussion - and as a result I learnt a lot from the discourse between two sides.

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RE[2]: You may have a point
by evangs on Thu 16th Oct 2008 07:55 in reply to "RE: You may have a point"
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2005-07-07


I don't even think there should be a moderation system - its clear to me that people on this website aren't mature enough to use a system that requires a degree of restraint.

I fully agree with your comment there.

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RE[2]: You may have a point
by google_ninja on Thu 16th Oct 2008 11:40 in reply to "RE: You may have a point"
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2006-02-05

Butters was another epic poster who I haven't seen here in years now.

I agree 100% with everything you said, and I'm currently looking for another general tech forum.

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RE[2]: You may have a point
by tyrione on Fri 17th Oct 2008 09:11 in reply to "RE: You may have a point"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

You're not alone. I went from a 4 -> 0.72 in 1 week. It's slowly moving back up. I can verify the moment I called people out on it the negative acceleration only increased.

IT People tend to lack a lot of balls. They don't face their limitations and are rarely interested in expanding in other viewpoints for their aim isn't to be enriched, but to simply bitch.

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RE[3]: You may have a point
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 17th Oct 2008 11:42 in reply to "RE[2]: You may have a point"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You're not alone. I went from a 4 -> 0.72 in 1 week. It's slowly moving back up. I can verify the moment I called people out on it the negative acceleration only increased.


You people put WAY too much emphasis on the moderation system. WAY too much. Let me tell you a little secret. The big agenda behind our moderation system. The ONE reason we (read: Adam) implemented this system.

We, the OSNews staff, are lazy.

That's more or less what it comes down to. Lots of people idealise the day back when we sifted through reported comments, and deleted/approved them. Don't do that. Not only was it painstaking, repetitive, boring, RSI-inducing, mind-numbing work, it was also quite willy-nilly. And that annoyed people - rightly so - and consequently, we got angry emails, which led to pointless back-and-forths between the team and the disgruntled leader. A total waste of bits. And certainly NOTHING to idealise.

In addition, back in those days, Eugenia ran the site, and she doesn't have a job, so she's at home all day, with a lot of time on her hands to do this work. These days, OSNews is run by people for whom OSNews is a side-project, something we do in the often limited free time we have. Speaking for myself, I have a job, study full-time at university, manage a small household (I don't live in my mom's basement), and a social life to manage. And that's just me - the rest have, in addition to the above, a family and children to spend time with.

So basically, we don't want to moderate. So, we said to ourselves, let's outsource it. People have been crying for that for a long time anyway.

And it worked out beyond our wildest expectations. There's no spam on our forums. There's intelligent debate. There's humour. There's off-topicness that doesn't threaten the entire thread.

It's not perfect, but it's a million times better than what we had. If you are so arrogant - as Adam already mentioned - to think that the ONLY reason someone could EVER mod you down is that he disagrees with you, well, then, leave Teh Intarwebs. You're not going to last long.

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RE[4]: You may have a point
by DeadFishMan on Fri 17th Oct 2008 13:57 in reply to "RE[3]: You may have a point"
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2006-01-09

I usually disagree with Thom regarding moderation - the OSNews staff sometimes cannot refrain themselves from getting personally involved in some heated threads and are not afraid to use their power to moderate at will - but I will have to concede here: he is 100% right.

The current moderation system is far from perfect but it is a lot better than the old one and I can't even imagine how terrible it would be for the administrators if there was no moderation at all as it was years ago and the community itself could not weed out spammers and trolls, leaving the hard work for them.

I've got my share of comments that were moderated down... No big deal. Kaiwai not only has been too focused on this lately but also apparently does not understand that some of his last posts were a little bit inflammatory (calling on people that could not afford Macs, suggesting that everybody in the world should learn English, etc.) and not always with a nice tone to them. If he has to move on, then so be it. However, he may have a point: I don't doubt not even for a second that there are members out there with more than one user account to work around the limitations on the moderation system.

I know that the work to prevent this sort of thing would be overwhelming but I wonder if it is not possible for Adam to simply update the OSNewsv4 back-end code to just trigger an alarm or something along these lines when too many posts or mod points come from the same IP address on a per-thread basis: not to moderate anything, but just to get an idea of which accounts might have been used to trick the moderation system. Of course, it is far from perfect: several people behind the same NAT at their companies or active posters might be caught with this mechanism as well, but I'm willing to believe that the former case is unlikely to happen often and as for the other one, the admins probably already know people that post often and that are not trolls.

That would provide a sample of posts/threads that the admins could keep their eyes on without having to check each conversation themselves and create the means to inhibit to some extent the "group thinking behavior" that bothers Kaiwai so much...

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

Thom

My usual reply has always been that you could "hire" moderators among trusted users.
I have also been abused sometimes in the past. As a consequence I have "castrated" my comments (meaning that I don't post very often and when I do I try not to say anything controversial).

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RE[2]: You may have a point
by David on Sat 18th Oct 2008 17:33 in reply to "RE: You may have a point"
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I think it's highly likely that you were being "victimized" by people who were abusing our moderation system by using up their points to mod down anything you said, just to get your goat. Unfortunately for all of us, you gave them everything they wanted. They wanted to get under your skin and make you have a public blowup, and you wrapped it up with a bow and gave it to them.

Let me just say that, for the record, the better course of action would have been to remain calm and try to contact OSNews staff to see if we could be enlisted in an effort to root out these moderation abusers. It might have taken some persistence. Not because we don't care (we do, and we've considered you a valuable member of the community) but because we all have other jobs and we're busy.

Now, Thom and Adam might be more piqued about this than I am, because I haven't been paying attention until today. But I think it's safe to say that we can all empathize with your emotional state and can understand the temptation to have an outburst and lash out at innocent bystanders. Once you've cooled off, I'd invite you to contact us and see if we can't come up with a constructive solution to this whole mess.

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No to meta-moderation
by Alex Forster on Thu 16th Oct 2008 02:57 UTC
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2005-08-12

I think this site has made me change my mind about meta-moderation. The side of me that loves statistics always finds it interesting to know what other people think about comments in a simple, quantitative value. But it's providing a means for like-minded people to join together and gang up on, even censor fringe opinions. It's created an environment where low-rated comments can be safely dismissed, and where readers are basically told flat-out that +12 comments are correct. It squelches conversation when the site literally tells you that a certain comment is worth your attention, and another isn't. Everyone, every viewpoint, should have an equal voice in the conversation, and the person reading should be left to decide the credence of what they say, not told what they should think via a score.

The simple "report this comment" link effectively achieved its purpose of flagging ToS violations. Maybe let's go back to that.

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RE: No to meta-moderation
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Oct 2008 07:13 in reply to "No to meta-moderation"
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2005-07-06

I think this site has made me change my mind about meta-moderation. The side of me that loves statistics always finds it interesting to know what other people think about comments in a simple, quantitative value. But it's providing a means for like-minded people to join together and gang up on, even censor fringe opinions. It's created an environment where low-rated comments can be safely dismissed, and where readers are basically told flat-out that +12 comments are correct. It squelches conversation when the site literally tells you that a certain comment is worth your attention, and another isn't. Everyone, every viewpoint, should have an equal voice in the conversation, and the person reading should be left to decide the credence of what they say, not told what they should think via a score.

The simple "report this comment" link effectively achieved its purpose of flagging ToS violations. Maybe let's go back to that.


The worse part is when you look at posts that are +12; for +12, you'd expect some mind blowingly awesome post that shakes the very foundations of orthodox thinking! one then takes a look at the post and it is nothing more than 'we does everyone agree with on this forum - and I'll make a witty one liner".

Like I said, I loved seeing robust debates - and from these debates I learnt so much. Btw, if you were wondering, it would have been way back when I first moved to Australia (2001 some time), and I was posting under the psuedonym 'kiwiunixman' or it might have been kiwiunix - I can't remember. Anyway, to cut a long story short, I've been 'here' since the early days, and seen the rapid decline. I would have thought that the owners wouldn't have been so stupid not to embrace this idiotic digg approach to the forums.

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Comment by Thom_Holwerda
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 16th Oct 2008 06:06 UTC
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Cry me a river.

Look at your comment stats. You're one of the most positively moderated users we have.

Number of Comments: 3654 (2237 voted up, 143 voted down)

Average Comment Score: 2.25


Seriously dude, cry me a river. I'm getting sick of you squealing like a schoolgirl every time someone dares to detract a little point from your precious little comment.

We can't delete accounts, but I'll be very glad to disable it as soon as I get back from work tonight.

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RE: Comment by Thom_Holwerda
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Oct 2008 07:02 in reply to "Comment by Thom_Holwerda"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Two weeks solid worth of moderating down? Mate - there is an agenda by some against me. No matter what I have said, I have had points deducted. Too bad the cowards who do it are too weak to actually appear in this conversation. Speaks volumes for the sort of people they are.

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RE[2]: Comment by Thom_Holwerda
by Adam S on Thu 16th Oct 2008 12:47 in reply to "RE: Comment by Thom_Holwerda"
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2005-04-01

The funniest part, as Thom has pointed out, is that you are not only extremely positively moderated, not only do you possess one of the highest "trust" ratings on the site, but almost all of your moderation comes from your fellow readers - damned close to 100%.

If your grousing was legitimate, and for some readers here, it might actually be, it would mean something. But honestly, you are WAY too hung up on the mod system. Before we had one, people asked for it all the time. When we implemented one, people wanted it changed, and when we changed it, people complained that it's too easy to abuse. All proposals I've heard for modification are so complex they will make the site itself about moderating.

Eugenia (actually, it was all of us, but she specifically) moderated so heavily that we regularly had to mod down and field emails complaining about her lack of impartiality and the fact that she let herself break the rules. So it's pure comedy to suggest that those were the good old days. You will never be happy, Kaiwai, here or in any other forum.

Open forums need to be moderated or they fill with spam. Your peers have sent you a message on some of your comments - or maybe just in general - that they are tired of your meta-focused grousing. And your response, unfortunately, is to complain about them, complain about the site, the admins, etc.

The audience of any website changes over time, and it may be time for you to find a new home. You're welcome here, but should you decide to bail, don't pretend there's a reason other than your own inability to cope with having some dissenters. You make the call, but know that taking your toys and going home is not going to teach anyone a lesson.

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RE[2]: Comment by Thom_Holwerda
by Kokopelli on Thu 16th Oct 2008 13:38 in reply to "RE: Comment by Thom_Holwerda"
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2005-07-06

Nothing personal Kawai but you (and this site) are not important enough for an "agenda." For the record I do not recall ever moderating you down, but if I have it has been over a month. Your posts are quite often antagonistic or purposely inflammatory. It would not surprise me if you have pissed in someones wheaties once too often. However, looking though your last 10 posts it seems to me people moderating them down would not be out of the question based on content alone.

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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Thu 16th Oct 2008 06:41 UTC
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2005-11-10

I think you're a good user, and do get unfairly modded sometimes, but you can't take it so personally.

Given a comment-field, people are going to type their opinions and opinions are going to differ. That's just basic fact; it's not possible for everybody at OSNews to get along perfectly well, no system in the world can solve that (other than perhaps an xkcd-style stupid filter).

well, anyway, hope you reach better climes.
Kind regards,

Kroc.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Oct 2008 07:05 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I think you're a good user, and do get unfairly modded sometimes, but you can't take it so personally.

Given a comment-field, people are going to type their opinions and opinions are going to differ. That's just basic fact; it's not possible for everybody at OSNews to get along perfectly well, no system in the world can solve that (other than perhaps an xkcd-style stupid filter).

well, anyway, hope you reach better climes.
Kind regards,

Kroc.


I'd sooner see that there is no moderating based on popularism- debates that thrash out the issues rather than cowards hiding behind the moderating system to silence the opposition.

I've got nothing against differing opinions - if I am wrong, I expect to be corrected. The problem I have is with people who moderate down simply by virtue of whether they disagree.

Moderation is based not on 'do I agree' but whether the point is legitimately made, even if one disagrees with it. That is a mature, respectable moderation system - not this pathetic teenager popularism that is on display now.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Adam S on Thu 16th Oct 2008 14:50 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-04-01

The problem I have is with people who moderate down simply by virtue of whether they disagree.


Therein lies the arrogance of your stance. You don't know that people are voting you down because they simply disagree, you've invented that notion. The fact that you post comments and cannot comprehend that anyone could mod them down for any reason other than that they disagree is the crux of the problem, methinks.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Moochman on Fri 17th Oct 2008 14:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

No, people really are modding him down because it's him. Every single comment he posts gets down to 0 or lower for no apparent reason. He's not just paranoid or making it up.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Adam S on Fri 17th Oct 2008 14:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Nearly all from one thread, where he got into a "back and forth" with a few users. It happens. If you participate in any internet forum, you'll need to learn to get over it or just turn off your computer.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Thu 16th Oct 2008 15:25 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

What you're presenting is a moral problem, and not a technical problem. This website's code cannot change people's morals, yours included.

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and I've officially quit this site
by l3v1 on Thu 16th Oct 2008 08:27 UTC
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and I've officially quit this site


I take a long shot when I'm saying that I'm probably not alone with the feeling: let me wait a second to think about whether I care... no, I don't. Waste of space. This post included.

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cognitive dissonance much?
by atriq on Thu 16th Oct 2008 14:27 UTC
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idiots who can't hold a decent conversation for more than 5 minutes without resorting to name calling
so are you including yourself in that group, considering you resorted to name calling by sentence two?

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Not when your mad
by fretinator on Thu 16th Oct 2008 15:55 UTC
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2005-07-06

I wouldn't make decisions when you are mad. I remember a few months back when there were some problems with the site. When I reported them, I was _essentially_ told to STFU. I was stunned. Initially, I was ready to do what you are doing. But, later, when I cooled down, I realized things happen. As was mentioned previously, overall you have been rated well. If you are on a "bad streak", just hang in there. Yes, there are some quite "adolescent" folks here, but the _general_ tone is not that. There are many very reasonable discussions. For the others, just let them slide. However, if you find that the site just doesn't do it for you, there is nothing wrong with moving on. Needs change, people change. But don't do it when you are mad. That is a good principle overall in life.

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Topic
by Buck on Thu 16th Oct 2008 18:33 UTC
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I'm going to miss kaiwai if he quits. Today he goes, the next day somebody else equally valuable goes and then you see and all that's left is an empty babbling trolling flaming crowd with no clue about technology. I think he deserves to be put in another group, separated from all the other folk, and be less prone to moderation abuse. Of course that group could include other users with quality comments.
And if you don't care then you're a stinker!

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RE: Topic
by Adam S on Thu 16th Oct 2008 19:25 in reply to "Topic"
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2005-04-01

I think he deserves to be put in another group, separated from all the other folk, and be less prone to moderation abuse. Of course that group could include other users with quality comments.


Ummm... he is. The above drama queen rant aside, his super-high trust level means his posts start at +2 and his trust dumps a significant amount of the downmodding. Other than an individual comment score, he is less prone to downmodding. The problem is that he can't deal with ANY downmod at all.

Then again, you might have been being sarcastic...

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RE[2]: Topic
by sultanqasim on Thu 16th Oct 2008 21:08 in reply to "RE: Topic"
sultanqasim Member since:
2006-10-28

How about staring at the average score instead of just 2?

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RE[2]: Topic
by Buck on Fri 17th Oct 2008 06:12 in reply to "RE: Topic"
Buck Member since:
2005-06-29

No I wasn't really being sarcastic. I think there are many (?) people whose comments start at "2". Anyhow, what I suggest is there are 'featured' users, just like on YTMND, shown in pink, just some way to distinguish between them having any kinds of privileges. Currently we only have the rating of the user which doesn't um... *do* much at all. Then again, that may not work for some reason. What do you think of that?

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RE[3]: Topic
by MamiyaOtaru on Fri 17th Oct 2008 10:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Topic"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

I think that would be terrible. There's no way to avoid favoratism (or accusations of favoratism) with who gets to be featured and who doesn't. Then there's the whole issue of jealousy, ego trips, resentment, etc. I don't think it's necessary. No one should be above being disagreed with, and some people choose to express disagreement with the moderation system. I'd rather see that go than have classes of übermenschen and untermenschen

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RE[3]: Topic
by Adam S on Fri 17th Oct 2008 12:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Topic"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I think there's a score next to your name that does the same thing. I don't think artificially inflating scores anymore is a good idea, because it makes it that much harder for lower and newer users to ever achieve getting into the top.

If you're a good user, your peers will reward you and you will remain or rise to the top. If you are a troll, vice versa. But if you are a good user and you suddenly expel a raft of crap, you *should* be put into place.

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Kaiwai, I feel for you
by Moochman on Fri 17th Oct 2008 14:53 UTC
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2005-07-06

Hi there,

I have noticed this ridiculous modding-down behavior on Kaiwai's posts recently. It's pretty hard to miss considering they're the only posts containing reasonable content that for no apparent reason are rated at 0 or lower. And not just some of his posts, btw--*all* of them.

Taking that into account, advice such as "don't take it personally" or "have you considered that they really just disagree" or "hang in there" will understandably have little effect on your opinion. Because clearly, it is personal and has nothing to do with agreeing/disagreeing, and clearly, you already have hung in there for an admirable length of time.

All I can say to you Kaiwai, is that I will miss you if you leave. If there's any chance that you could be convinced to stay, I would encourage you to. You have always been a very active and insightful poster with a unique perspective.

The behavior of the said anonymous down-modders is extremely disrespectful and juvenile. While it doesn't exactly surprise me, since trollers have been clogging up the OSNews boards for a while now, this is the first time I have seen one person singled out and an organized attempt made to humiliate them.

I would be interested to see exactly how many users are responsible for this down-modding behavior of Kawai. If as suspected just a few users are involved, then they should be banned, pure and simple.

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RE: Kaiwai, I feel for you
by fretinator on Fri 17th Oct 2008 16:25 in reply to "Kaiwai, I feel for you"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

Sounds reasonable and easy to do. I recommend it be looked at.

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RE: Kaiwai, I feel for you
by Adam S on Fri 17th Oct 2008 19:09 in reply to "Kaiwai, I feel for you"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I'm open to discussing mod stats in general. We are not going to reveal who is modding you, but I'm open to revealing some of the mystery.

What types of stuff should be available?

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Why is it...
by helf on Fri 17th Oct 2008 19:44 UTC
helf
Member since:
2005-07-06

... that people feel the need to write a long winded "I'm leaving" letter and post it on a site? Overstated sense of self importance? I'm intrigued; I run into it all the time.

This is The Internet. No one gives a shit. Honestly.
As a friend pointed out, "Comments on a website don't even register on the importance scale.".

People need to stop taking these things so seriously. On both sides. It's a bunch of 1s and 0s. Nothing to get your blood pressure up over.

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RE: Why is it...
by Buck on Fri 17th Oct 2008 20:28 in reply to "Why is it..."
Buck Member since:
2005-06-29

Yes and no. He puts time and effort into his comments. Your post here highlights the problem with bad quality comments and moderation abuse - nobody gives a shit if he or she is useful for the community, it's all random trolling babble then or as you put it '0's and '1's.

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RE[2]: Why is it...
by helf on Fri 17th Oct 2008 20:33 in reply to "RE: Why is it..."
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, you are right. I try to mod up good posts and mod down obvious trolls. Otherwise I don't touch posts. I don't like the modding people down just because you disagree or don't like the person.

Still, people do take this stuff too seriously.

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Just Don't Give a F***
by segedunum on Fri 17th Oct 2008 21:55 UTC
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2005-07-06

I couldn't give a toss about the moderation system. I occasionally read some article I think is pretty good and don't post any comments. Elsewhere, I just enjoy poking fun at some people who obviously don't enjoy it, for reasons best known to them. When you then get moderated down it is a sight to behold.

Hell. I when you have a site where you have someone heading it up who is so paranoid he will convert Microsoft (that was a dollar sign there, just so you no) to MS you know you have some people not quite right in the head.

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RE: Just Don't Give a F***
by segedunum on Fri 17th Oct 2008 21:58 in reply to "Just Don't Give a F***"
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2005-07-06

Wow, wouldn't you know it? MS (substituting S for a dollar sign there), now gets helpfully and fully converted to Microsoft. :-)

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RE[2]: Just Don't Give a F***
by Adam S on Sat 18th Oct 2008 01:31 in reply to "RE: Just Don't Give a F***"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

That service is provided for free! ;)

We do our part to extinguish flamewars before they begin.

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RE[3]: Just Don't Give a F***
by helf on Sat 18th Oct 2008 14:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Just Don't Give a F***"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

nice, Adam ;) Do you also convert other slurs? linsux, microshaft... ;)

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RE[4]: Just Don't Give a F***
by Adam S on Sat 18th Oct 2008 14:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Just Don't Give a F***"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

We do censor a few words. It's a very short list, but we feel that on our site, there are certain words we don't want to have show up. We also have a few Easter Eggs.

For example, I use Apple computers at home, but most of our users use Windows PCs, we probably have more Linux users than most sites, though. And I know for a fact that several Sun engineers read our site.

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RE[3]: Just Don't Give a F***
by segedunum on Sun 19th Oct 2008 12:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Just Don't Give a F***"
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2005-07-06

You think flamewars are started by a dollar sign and can be ended by not showing them? Wow. I would have though that experience would have told you otherwise by now, and it's actually a rather sad thing to do.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You think flamewars are started by a dollar sign and can be ended by not showing them? Wow. I would have though that experience would have told you otherwise by now, and it's actually a rather sad thing to do.


You seem to be forgetting that this still OUR website, and that you're a GUEST, so you'll have to abide by OUR rules. One of those rules is that we don't like childish dollar sign crap, nor do we like racial slurs. So we alter them.

When I'm a guest at your house, I'll play by your rules. When you're a guest in our house, you play by our rules. As simple as that.

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Well, if there's a concerterd effort by ...
by Anon on Sat 18th Oct 2008 07:13 UTC
Anon
Member since:
2006-01-02

Well, if there's a concerted effort by a few people to moderate all your posts down, then OSNews could possibly implement a bit of an adjustment system..

Thom, probably would require an additional table underneath, such as USER_NEG_MOD_HISTORY, which would contain:

user_id (int)
user_moderated_id (int)
user_moderated_count (int)
user_start_moderated (unix_timestamp)
user_last_moderated (unix_timestamp)

Then it wouldn't be hard to so on every comment a user moderates it'll do something like:

INSERT INTO USER_NEG_MOD_HISTORY (user_id, user_moderated_id, user_moderated_count, user_start_moderated, user_last_moderated)
VALUES (XXX, YYY, 1, UNIX_TIMESTAMP(), UNIX_TIMESTAMP())
ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE user_moderated_count=user_moderated_count+1, user_last_moderated = UNIX_TIMESTAMP()

You'd have a combined unique key on user_id, user_moderated_id, but also individual index on user_moderated_id.

Somehow, it may be possible to then calculate if a user is being smashed by a small group (some threshold) of other users.

Not must of a complete solution, but my 2c ;-)

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helf Member since:
2005-07-06

If this keeps up, OSN will have the *most* complicated moderation system on the web. ;)

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I agree
by TLZ_ on Sun 19th Oct 2008 16:07 UTC
TLZ_
Member since:
2007-02-05

Seems like the first thing (most) people do when they read peoples posts is to try to find what company/product/organization/whatever they like, and if that is not the same as they prefer themselves they start the warmachine.

I'm not leaving though, but I find myself reading this site less and less.

OSnews comments used to be qutie good, at least better than say Slashdot. I guess any community that grows large enough get these kind of problems. I've seen the same thign happend to many other community-sites, as soon as they grow large enough the community turns into a warzone.

Small websites/communities seems to be the place with the least amount of BS. I think it must be because when it is so small everybody knows who everybody is, including the admin so it's easy to have a system that get bad stuff out of the way.

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Yes about time
by cyclops on Mon 20th Oct 2008 17:58 UTC
cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

seriously stop posting you little drama queen.

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