posted by kragil on Sun 13th Dec 2009 23:31
Conversations Thom has all the rights in the world to be busy with his studies/being sick or whatever, but it makes you wonder ...

If Thom where to jump ship (which gets ever more likely the more time passes) will OSnews be able to survive?

(If Thom were to turn rouge or greedy he could just start his own site and take all the advertisement(which I block with AB+) money for himself and pay for CO2 reduction to save the planet. Wouldn't that be something?)
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AdBlock
by Alex Forster on Mon 14th Dec 2009 04:17 UTC
Alex Forster
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2005-08-12

OT: I think there isn't as much of a stigma about using AdBlock as there should be. It's a really dick thing to do, especially to sites that you regularly visit.

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Adblock
by kragil on Mon 14th Dec 2009 12:47 in reply to "AdBlock"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

I knew these comments would come.

I have two simple rules to for unblocking sites I like:

1. Don't take vertical screen space (e.g. put the ad next to the content not above it. I have only 16:9 and 16:10 screens)
2. Don't flicker/flash/animate etc. I just can't stand that. Sorry.

If one of those requirements isn't met Adblock stays activated.

I am sorry but OSnews fails both requirements.

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RE:
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 14th Dec 2009 13:14 in reply to "Adblock"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

The problem with that is twofold.

1) everybody has their own requirements, and we can't follow them all.
2) even if we did, people would find other requirements to still block ads.

Like I said though, I can't really get worked up over it because it's kind of like spam: sure, I can complain about spam all I want, but that won't make it go away. Likewise, I can get all worked up over people using ad block, but that won't cause people to unblock us, now does it?

In the end though, it's really simple: more money equals better articles. I can only do so much - I'd love to travel to events and meet people face-to-face, but that simply isn't possible. We'd also love to do more proper hardware reviews, but without money, that's a no-go too.

We're doing whatever we can within the current boundaries. If I really were to leave (NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANY TIME SOON, SORRY), I'd make sure the team would know it well in advance, and I wouldn't leave anyway until a proper replacement was found.

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RE:
by kragil on Mon 14th Dec 2009 16:21 in reply to "RE: "
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Just to be clear, I don't want you to leave. Although we don't always agree I like your work a lot, otherwise I wouldn't visit this site so regularly.

As for the money .. I have no real solution. I would suggest a LWN like paywall, but you have to provide really high value content a very focused audience for that to work .. so that is not an option.

Maybe be more flexible with ads, I wouldn't mind text only ads to the side, but I will not accept animated gif ads at the top. Sorry.
Problem probably is that what I would accept is not really paying well ;)

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RE: Ad formats
by David on Tue 15th Dec 2009 23:12 in reply to "RE: "
David Member since:
1997-10-01

I'm sympathetic to your "requirements." I would absolutely prefer to have small, text-based ads tucked into the margins of the OSNews site. Just like the people who make TV shows would prefer that you be able to watch them without being interrupted with commercials.

Problem is, nobody will pay any money for small text links in the margins. People advertise because they want their advertisements to get noticed.

I'm pulled in two different directions as far as advertising intrusion goes. If it were up the advertisers, they'd take over the whole page and have loud music and dancing cats. Of course the readers don't want any advertising at all. It's a real balancing act to try to have advertising that's prominent enough that they'll pay money, but not so intrusive that it pisses off the readers.

As for supporting the site, if for whatever reason you feel you can't stand to view the site with ads, I'd ask that you consider using the Shopping page when you look for items to buy. That way we can make a little money from our commission with Amazon and Nextag:
http://www.osnews.com/shopping

As for Thom, I'll have to give a mea culpa. When Thom needs to take a break, I need to pick up the slack and post more stories. We'll try to do a better job of coordinating.

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RE[2]:
by sbergman27 on Fri 18th Dec 2009 23:25 in reply to "RE: "
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

So.... we need a way to make all the http requests for the ads on a page without actually displaying them in the browser.

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RE: AdBlock
by Kroc on Thu 24th Dec 2009 13:00 in reply to "AdBlock"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Blocking Ads and Flash is a basic security requirement.

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Comment by Thom_Holwerda
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 14th Dec 2009 04:57 UTC
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2005-06-29

You seem to imply there's a lot of demand for people who have a compulsion to bring Fiona into every conversation and who are obsessed with unicorns and pixies.

I ain't going anywhere, and even if I were, someone would take over. The universe has a way of working things out.

As for the adblock thing - if people want to block our rather friendly ads, then so be it. We live in a free world ;) .

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RE:
by frood on Tue 15th Dec 2009 05:42 in reply to "Comment by Thom_Holwerda"
frood Member since:
2005-07-06

What happened to the option to pay and lose the ads? I can't find it anymore.

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RE:
by Andre on Tue 15th Dec 2009 12:45 in reply to "RE: "
Andre Member since:
2005-07-06

Click at 'contact', there it says:

If you prefer an ad-free, fast-loading OSNews, consider our subscription plan, which for $20 per year will give you exactly that!


not so hard to find

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RE:
by frood on Wed 16th Dec 2009 01:28 in reply to "RE: "
frood Member since:
2005-07-06

[q]not so hard to find[/q

Sure. Provided you know it exists in the first place. I was looking under my account page for a subscription button.

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User sites need users
by Laurence on Mon 14th Dec 2009 10:55 UTC
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

It seems odd that you comment about this site could die without Thom, but then the next moment you boast about how you don't support the site (via ad revenue) yourself.

If you're genuinely worried about the state of OSNews, then theres 2 simple things you can do:
1/ Don't block the ad's
2/ Write or submit your own articles.

It's that simple ;)

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RE:
by kragil on Mon 14th Dec 2009 12:53 in reply to "User sites need users"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

I am not really worried, but I submitted news items before (very few though).

And I collected notes for writing something bigger a few times, but I don't really got to it in time before the thing became outdated.

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RE:
by Andre on Tue 15th Dec 2009 12:47 in reply to "RE: "
Andre Member since:
2005-07-06

Thom used to post at an other site in the same genre as OSnews, i forgot the name of that site, but it's long dead and forgotten nowadays.

Does OSnews depend on Thom so hard that if he would leave the same might happen to this site?

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RE:
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 15th Dec 2009 12:57 in reply to "RE: "
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Everybody thought the same thing would happen if Eugenia left - and poof, there I was.

This idea that OSNews can't do without me is nonsense, as it implies that I am somehow special or whatever. The only thing you could consider "special" about me is that I hung in there, where others came and went. That's all. That's not a special ability no one else has.

OSNews most certainly does not depend on me.

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RE:
by Laurence on Thu 17th Dec 2009 14:29 in reply to "RE: "
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I bet secretly you love the fact that people feel dependent on you ;)

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RE: User sites need users
by ebasconp on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 15:10 in reply to "User sites need users"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I totally agree with you:

We are constant OSnews readers and we like the work Thom and crew perform, so, having some ads in our computer screens that we know that they help a little bit to "our OSnews", I think it is the minimum way to support them.

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Fortunately
by fretinator on Wed 16th Dec 2009 19:18 UTC
fretinator
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2005-07-06

Fortunately, after Thom et al. are sued into oblivion by Smartbook AG, we will have witty Conversations such as this one to fall back on.

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Thom with rouge
by sbergman27 on Fri 18th Dec 2009 17:32 UTC
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

I don't think it'd look good on him.

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