Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 13th Jan 2007 00:12 UTC, submitted by Charles A Landemaine
PC-BSD In his 'A week with...' series, Justin has used PC-BSD 1.3 this week and is sharing his experience. In other news, the PC-BSD team unveiled a sneak peek of the new look of the software installation wizard.
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RE[3]: some corrections
by molnarcs on Sun 14th Jan 2007 16:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: some corrections"
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You mean we should test new (alpha) features on our users?

Absolutely not. I talked about helping new features reach maturity faster. I didn't say you should dump new, untested features on your userbase in RELEASE - I refered to beta testing. Xorg is a good example: since 6.9 is well tested, you could try build it as per instructions on wikitest, and release 1.3 alpha, beta, etc. with that. If it doesn't work, you could have switched back to 6.9 for the RCs.

If you think that we (PC-BSD Team) is sitting in cave and waiting for ports appear then you are wrong-

That is exactly how it looks like from the outside.

we file bugreports and help troubleshoot many FreeBSD desktop specific bugs and of course we know about Xorg 7.2, DRM/DRI, about HALd disaster, current USB suckiness (sry, limitations/bugs), crippled features in KDE- broken by Linux oriented developers (NFS, Samba, CUPS...), ZFS, Gjournaling filesystem, MAC, etc...

Of course you know about it - I didn't say you don't know about it. I said that your claim that "PC-BSD is first to use latest KDE and various technologies that is never used on FreeBSD" is patently false. It is an overstatement. Exaggeration. And nothing you said disproves this. PC-BSD helps FreeBSD through exposing its desktop capabilities - but it is definitely not "first to use latest KDE and various technologies." You are dishonest if you claim otherwise. I never saw anything appear in PC-BSD before it was available in the official ports tree - nothing!

What I would like to see is more active participation in testing. Release early, release often, and include new technologies in alpha/beta releases (again, not in final versions!). Build new technologies with debug symbols, and provide users with the means to help file intelligent bug reports - that's what the project needs, and that is what, contrary to your claims, I haven't seen coming from PC-BSD. Or care to point out your bugreports/patches that helped stabilize HALd, Xorg, or any new technology?

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