Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Aug 2005 09:16 UTC, submitted by Rahul
GTK+ "The primary goal of Project Ridley is to cut down on the number of problem libraries that are part of the GNOME platform. We propose to do this by moving functionality into GTK+, wherever it makes sense. These libraries are generally small, undermaintained, and buggy."
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by unoengborg on Mon 22nd Aug 2005 19:59 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: GNOME vs KDE"
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How about lots of replies from users who want to keep them?

The poeple that read Gnome or KDE usability lists is not exactly a good example of ordinary users or potential users, so it doesn't really matter how many
answers I get from that crowd. Why they want it would be more interesting. Usually it is some kind of sysadmin task they want to do.

If you select some some typical office workers lets say accountants that would make up a potential Gnome user at random in the population I can assure you that very few of them will know what's in /etc in the first place. So getting letters from them saying they need to accessing /etc, /dev,... is not very likely.

If they are knowledgable enough to actuall have any use of what they see in /etc or any of the other seldom visited folders, they probably are knowledgable enough to turn on "Show hidden files" in Nautilus

Right now, I am counting the accesses to /etc, /dev, /proc,.. using Gnome. After a month the count is still at zero, and I do work with software development, and manages the system for a couple of other users. I wonder what e.g. a secretary do that would require him to look at it more often.

Note, I'm not saying that users don't need the information in these folders, I'm saying we need to create other ways to deliver that information. Just showing the folder is not good enough. E.g. Applications in Gnome are not normally started by browsing to the /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin folder and double click on them. They are started from the Gnome menu. The things in /etc should probably be in some sort of settings menu.

Besides, there is always a restistance to try something new and somtimes users oppose new things even though they might be good for them, especially if they havn't tried them out.

In this case this is very easy to try out. To hide a folder or file just list it in a file named .hidden in /. The folders can be made visible again by selecting "Show hidden files" in the Nautilus View menu.

Unfortunately the .hidden listing doesn't work for file dialogs where hiding of seldomly used folders probably would have much more effect than in Nautilus. The effect would naturally be faster navigation to things that is used more frequently.

Now, lets for a minute assume that users really need to get into /etc, /bin, /lib... How would they know what they contain /etc, /bin/, /lib are unix concepts. If you ask a relative that does not work with Unix for an appropriat name for a folder containing files for controlling the system behavior, I am quite confident that he would never suggest the name /etc. He would chose something like "Settings" if your relative lived in Sweden he would say "Inställningar" so even if you somehow could motivate these folders to be visible they still have the problem of being unix concepts unknown to most potential users.

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