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Java "Although the .NET vs. Java war is basically over for control of the Windows desktop, where .NET is sure to become the managed language of choice for new Windows desktop applications, there is a new battle brewing. That battle is for the Linux desktop. Now that Java has been open sourced under the GPL, even the most strict of the 'free software only' distributions can start bundling it and integrating it into their Linux distributions out of the box."
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RE[4]: Hmmm
by kaiwai on Thu 8th Mar 2007 09:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Hmmm"
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As usual, you persist in making unprovable claims about Solaris such as "ugly mess." If you were willing to list specific, valid, verifiable, and undeniable issues that can prove that Solaris is an "ugly mess" that are based on fact and not on anecdotal evidence (such as why your wireless or specific laptop doesn't work), I might believe you.

Latest stable version of Solaris (Solaris 10 11/06) and my complaints so far - numbered so you can answer to each one of them:

1) Intel 3945 a/b/g support - NDIS does not support it as there is a known issue with it; promises are of plenty in regards to when its going to arrive.

The alternative is waiting for the OpenBSD driver to be ported - it has alread been/currently ported to NetBSD and FreeBSD, with a couple of revisions so far to address WPA support and so forth.

Where is Sun on this? This is one of the biggest selling wireless chipsets on the market - and yes, there are IT people out there who do want to run Solaris on their x86 laptop, and you know, these people might also wish to show off the capabilities of Solaris to their clients.

2) Audio card is not supported; OpenSound is a drama of pain and missery; I can't hear sound from audio files as they keep skipping around when playing them, no audio comes from cds being played.

3) Ancient version of GNOME is included; not just "oh, its one release behind", hell, I could put up with that, I don't expect the bleeding edge, but when a user wants to download CODEC support for mp3 play back, one shouldn't need to have to download the whole damn toolchain and muddle through only to find that none of it compiles - which goes onto my forth point.

4) How come I can go ./configure on my Fedora box, and I don't have constant conflicts between the GNU version and one included with Solaris - sorry, there is no way to specify that I want the GNU version rather than the Sun one to be used when compiling.

Paths not being setup correctly right from the beginning, I shouldn't need to setup weird and obscure paths; if I have installed my development tools in the standard location, I expect to be able to drop down to bash and go 'make' or 'cc' or 'c++' and find that everything just works - I can do that on Linux or FreeBSD, why can't I do it on Solaris?

Want me to expand more? Maybe I should put up an elaborate 'whinge and bitch' section on my blog to point out all the failings of Solaris? this is actually an honest question, would you like that, so then you can address those deficiences.

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