Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 17th Mar 2007 00:26 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu During my 8 years of Linux on and off usage I have tried more distros than I have chocolate bars. Each one of my previous encounters meant that I had to spend at least 2 days configuring before I have a desktop that I was somewhat comfortable with. With Ubuntu Feisty Fawn's latest test beta --for the first time ever-- this was not the case. I was up and running with all the niceties I wanted within 2 hours.
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RE[2]: re: lemur2
by ride01 on Sat 17th Mar 2007 12:09 UTC in reply to "RE: re: lemur2"
ride01
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2005-09-23

touché ;)

You are 100% correct.

I have no idea if any version of Windows will install and/or boot if unable to write to the MBR.

In fact, my understanding is that if Windows XP is installed AFTER Windows 98, it may be impossible to get Windows 98 to boot. This is a very crappy thing, and Microsoft deserves great criticism for it.

(Any other boot/partition/other-OS/installation issues that Windows may have also deserve criticism)

This does not free Linux from the same criticism.

Perhaps I am spoiled from using BeOS.

BeOS is incredibly easy to install. One can even install it to a "virtual drive"(file), on any existing drive/partition, then easily transfer it to a partition/drive of his choice.

The GUI that allows this (as well as the normal installer), lists drives and partitions by: volume name/overall size/size used/size available.

(Windows/MacOS can do this as well. I look forward to the day when Linux can)

The user is also given the option to make a boot floppy which will leave his existing boot manager alone, yet allow him to boot to BeOS when he places the floppy in the drive.

ALSO, any BeOS boot floppy or bootmanager will "search" existing partitions and drives for BeOS installations, listing them by volume name, allowing the user to boot to them. This process takes milliseconds on even the slowest of machines.

I am used to installing three operating systems:

1. Windows:

a. Make a new partition (if needed) before or during installation. All drives/partitions are listed IN THE INSTALLER GUI by volume-name/overall-size/used-size/free-space.


2. MacOS 8x-9x:

a. Make a new partition (if needed) before or during installation. All drives/partitions are listed IN THE INSTALLER GUI by volume-name/overall-size/used-size/free-space.

b. MacOS was far SUPERIOR to Windows, in that every OS CD was a liveCD, and that one could have twenty MacOS installations on the same machine. The OS had an easy GUI for choosing which installation to boot to.

3. BeOS:

a. a. Make a new partition (if needed) before or during installation. All drives/partitions are listed IN THE INSTALLER GUI by volume-name/overall-size/used-size/free-space.

In contrast, here is what Linux does:

Linux(Ubuntu):

a. Make a new partition (WILL BE needed*) before or during installation. Now make a second* partition. Now make sure the second partition is a different format than the first. Now make sure the second partition is twice the size of your system RAM (The GUI will NOT tell you this. You will have to spend a while in Google to figure this out. Also, the Mint installer will try to make a THIRD partition. The only information you are given as to why this is happening are words such as "/dev/", "/dev/home/root", and "'swap'".

(What is "dev"? Why not use human-talking-language, such as English?)

Then, the installer will attempt a GRUB install. (How am I supposed to know what "GRUB" even is?)

It will then present a dialog window with the pre-filled entry "(hd0)". This information would mean nothing to me, had I not been loosely following Linux for the last several years.

What if I want GRUB on another partition or drive? I have to manually type something in with NO CHECKS whatsoever. The installer will simply run for ten minutes, and then crash at the very end with "fatal error" if I make a mistake.

My only point is that Linux-Desktop is not "easy" yet. It will be, and it will be soon. It is not "easy" now.

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