Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 20th Mar 2007 01:51 UTC
X11, Window Managers The Beryl project has won a lot of press time so far with its impressive tricks -- even more than its slower-evolving daddy, Compiz. There are several lose ends to Beryl's core engine and incompatibilities with existing applications or technologies. However, something that really put off a lot of people when they try Beryl is its dreadful settings manager.
Permalink for comment 223166
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[3]: Not Convincing
by Kitty on Wed 21st Mar 2007 13:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not Convincing"
Member since:

I can't understand your logic here.

No. It's just I don't feel the need to remember everything that I've done and put it back to where it was. This is an utter disaster in anything approaching a moderately complex UI - and I mean moderate.

1) With auto-apply you usually go back your latest change, not the accumulation of N, exactly because you don't prepare N changes and previw them, you test them directly one by one . But in case you keep wandering in the configuration space and end up too far from the starting point...
2) ...that's why e.g. the Gnome theme selector has a big "Revert" button that will revert back all of the auto-applied changes. Auto-apply is not the same as auto-save.

Agreed that auto-apply is not good for each and every use case, but previews are often not enough.
In particular desktop theme settings, the case you brought forth, are a good example of this.
Will your preview feature show you the appearance of _all_ widgets? Will the icon theme you chose look good for a list view of files at sizes down to 24x24, when your preview showed them all pretty on a fake desktop and with the much greater desktop-size set?
Most probably you will end up applying and testing directly with real windows, a file selector, your favourite applications etc, or if you don't you can save and later discover a detail that won't work... and _then_ you'll have to remember the combination of N changes anyway.

The main reason to avoid auto-apply in many cases is still that the apply operation might be slow or resource-intensive, and I bet that's why it was not used more in Windows in the past, and the whole confirm-fest was started. Nowadays let's not make the same mistakes if we can afford the better option.

No actually. It's just laziness.

Wow, I'm all convinced now. Please explain how a whole themed desktop with open windows and applications of your choice is not better than a standardized small preview pane. Unless you were just bashing any vaguely Gnome-related UI choice. But that would be beneath you, wouldnt it?

Reply Parent Score: 1