Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 23:18 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris "Sun's CEO Jonathan Schwartz loves to splatter the media with the line that Windows, Red Hat Linux and Solaris stand as the only operating systems of significance in the server kingdom. We've spent the last few years struggling to appreciate the seriousness of that claim. Sun's declining system sales failed to inspire much optimism about the company conquering the data centers of tomorrow with a deflating 'venerable' OS. A couple of recent items, however, have tweaked our view of Schwartz's favored claim. It could well be that Solaris - of all things - provides the 'iPod moment' Sun seeks." In the meantime, Sun upped the speed of some of its SPARC chips.
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RE[4]: The turning point
by ormandj on Wed 4th Apr 2007 20:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: The turning point"
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I understand/agree with a lot of what you're saying. However, in reference to the dev/desktop version:

That's what Solaris Express Developer Edition is now.

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Unlikely to ever happen. The whole point of Solaris Express is that it isn't upgradeable easily between versions so Sun can invest more resources into building it and less resources on trying to support it. What you're asking for is for free support. They might be willing to do this under a paid scheme, but I don't think it is worth their time. Upgrades aren't always possible between these versions because packages are split, etc.

Those two are contradictory. What developer/workstation user wants to have to do a complete install every time there is a new version/updates available? That's counter-productive, and a great way to waste time.

I love Solaris, and I'm a big supporter of the "new" Sun (and I like the direction they are headed, as well) - but their workstation/desktop/developer push quite frankly sucks right now. They're headed in the right direction, but until there is an OS release that is modern enough to use on a day to day basis as a desktop/workstation (which is easily upgraded) available, nobody is really going to want to run it.

I'd love to have a Solaris workstation right now, but I can't - on a clean install (Sol10 11/06), on a fully supported system, using the included browser/etc, even going to and moving over the image rollovers "lags" the display. Installing nVidia's drivers doesn't fix the problem, either. Various other "niggles" of this sort exist. This isn't just on one machine, it's on all workstations I've given Solaris a shot on. I've seen things like this commented on repeatedly, and repeatedly been told it's a known issue and will be fixed sometime in the future. Not a good answer to hear!

Not to mention the outdated software, not slightly, but severely. I forget the version number offhand, but Mozilla? Come on...

When Sun can iron these issues out and provide a usable and at least somewhat modern OS, it'll appeal more to desktop/workstation/developer users. Right now, I have to dual boot (actually, I use vmware) Solaris, because it's unusable as a day to day desktop for me, even in a "workstation" capacity. Being upgradeable without ISO downloads and so forth is a major component of usability.

Sure does a heck of a lot right, though! That's why I'm so interested and hopeful things keep moving forward in the right direction. Maybe one of the XX/07 releases will finally answer with FF2 and so forth. ;) An updated Gnome from SX wouldn't hurt, either!

Just checked, here's the info on the web browser in Solaris 10 11/06:

NAME: Mozilla Web browser
CATEGORY: MOZ17,application,JDS3
ARCH: i386

Mozilla 1.7. Yikes.

Edited 2007-04-04 20:53 UTC

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