Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th May 2007 18:54 UTC
Gnome In the GNOME bugzilla, there is an ongoing discussion about whether or not to include a patch into the default GNOME installation which would enable GNOME to (optionally) have a global application menubar, similar to that of the Mac OS and KDE (in the latter it is optional and off by default). Installation instructions and .deb packages, as well as a 60-page (and counting) discussion of the patch, are available on the UbuntuForums. Read on for a poll on this issue.
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RE[4]: Why?
by miscz on Thu 17th May 2007 20:33 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Why?"
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First, its a very well-established empirical equation in user-interface research. If you don't believe it, I presume you have some evidence to counter all the studies that have supported it?

I'm not that bored ;)

Second, yes, it doesn't take into account that menubars for inactive windows are hidden, but that's beyond the scope of the equation. In anycase, if you're having to click regularly on the menubars of inactive windows, then there is something wrong with the design of your applications.

Wrong design? How about Gaim/Pidgin or other IM apps? It's perfectly reasonable to have main contacts windows and separate chat windows with their own menubars. And I'm usually running more than one application.

Third, yes, the overall distance of travel increases, but because the target gets larger, you can use a much sloppier (and much faster) motion to traverse it. That's the whole idea embodied in the equation: the less accurately you need to aim, the faster a motion you can use. Absolute mouse movement speed is rarely the bottleneck in clicking on a screen element. Rather, the bottleneck is how fast you can move the mouse while retaining the required accuracy, and that speed is *much* lower.

Neither this patch nor OSX moves toolbars with the menubar. Somehow I'm supposed to have a hard time clicking menus but for small icons it's ignored? I'm already focused on the app, menubar is there, it's not hard or counterintuitive to aim there.

Edit:
Is it me / my browser or are the OSn-v4 bbcode tags broken? I can't use multiple quote tags (only first and last one work) and italics tag looks strange o_O

Edited 2007-05-17 20:36 UTC

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