Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jun 2007 10:29 UTC, submitted by binarycrusader
Oracle and SUN Simon Phipps of Sun has responded to the recent criticism of Sun's openness, pointing out that even releasing information that they may already have costs a lot of money. "Jonathan asked me to look into this, to ensure we're pursuing an open path across all of Sun, not simply the software group. We take all input seriously, and we can't solve all problems for all parties, but we're committed to doing our best to faithfully engage with all the communities we serve, in the same spirit as the existing Open Source Ombudsman Scheme. With the support of my team and others in the community I'll try to build a new scheme that is fair and transparent."
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RE[3]: Yeah
by Arun on Thu 21st Jun 2007 02:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah"
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2005-07-07

It's also Theo's (and Linus etc) right as a customer of said company to ask them for documentation of the hardware they have so that they can make use of it.

I seriously doubt they are Sun customers. Most customers would make an informed purchase and know what OS the hardware supports. Theo and Linus are makers of OS that compete with the OS that comes on said hardware. I seriously doubt Theo or Linus "use" the hardware in question.

"I think it's interesting how some people just can't admit it when Theo's right , no matter what, and instead opt to root for the big companies who really don't give a fsck about OSS. "

This is nonsense. Instead of getting the facts straight, some people just support whatever rubbish their OSS leaders spout.

Theo is wrong about OpenSolaris not supporting the PCI-E bridge.

Here is the email regarding OpenBSD and the V215/V245:

http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070407155547

"I just committed the final bits that make the Sun Fire V215 and V245
fully supported in 4.1-current. These machines have a PCIe host
bridge, supported by the new pyro(4) driver. Writing this driver was
the biggest challange, since Sun doesn't provide any documentation for
it. So it took some extensive digging through the OpenSolaris code to
figure out how the hardware was supposed to work.
"

So Sun has open sourced the driver that makes the PCI-E host bridge work and the code is in OpenSolaris.

Infact here are the files.
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/search?n=25&start=50&path=px

OpenSolaris doesn't contain source for some of the other drivers for the system most probably because the manufacturers of those devices don't want Sun to open the code. As others have pointed out those are available as binary drivers.

http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v445/arch-wp.pdf

According to this whitepaper all the other I/O devices are non Sun made, industry standard devices. So all of Sun's IP in that system has been opensourced and is in OpenSolaris. Fire is the host bridge in question and the OpenBSD Pyro driver now works with it.

Theo's entire rant seems to be a huge publicity stunt. Simon Phipps response seems more truthful than Theo's meaning less rant in the end.

Edited 2007-06-21 02:21

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