Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:10 UTC, submitted by elsewhere
Novell and Ximian "Novell's long journey from NetWare to Linux is finally complete. On Oct. 8, Novell released Open Enterprise Server 2 to its customers worldwide. Shortly after acquiring SUSE and its enterprise-focused Linux distribution, Novell announced that its follow-on to NetWare 6.5 would ship as a set of network services that could run atop the NetWare and the Linux kernel, OES 1.0. OES, which began shipping in April 2005, was the first major step in Novell moving NetWare's services from its native operating system to Linux. Now, with OES 2.0, the NetWare operating system kernel, NetWare 6.5 SP7, is still there if you run it, but it runs on top of the Xen hypervisor. You can also run the NetWare services, or a para-virtualized instance of NetWare, on top of Xen with the SLES 10 SP 1 kernel. So, if you're wedded to NetWare and its way of doing things, you don't have to wave good-bye to it."
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RE[6]: Goodbye Novell
by segedunum on Wed 10th Oct 2007 21:11 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Goodbye Novell"
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How many jumped ship because of that and who?

Well, I'm afraid you've been out of the loop. Customers do not want a choice of two kernels - they want to know what Novell is selling. Customers have been jumping ship for quite some time, hence Novell's somewhat dire financial results and a new round of layoffs apparently.

Novell's entire reason for running 2 kernels parallel with similar feature sets was because the customers wanted it.

No, they didn't. Novell went and did that of their own accord, and they thought that's what customers wanted. You have to get the meaning from what customers say, not what they actually. Rather like women! Who in their right mind thinks that customers want to choose a kernel?

You can't rip and replace like that. If you really want to drive customers away, then having OES services sitting on the NetWare kernel only one version and then eliminating that and going with the Linux kernel only on the next version would basically kill your File/Print business.

Novell are doing that fine, I'm afraid. The key here is decisiveness. Novell should have announced that they were moving away from Netware, but should have come up with a clear migration plan and tools and a clear incentive for customers to move to the new Linux offering so that it was as damn near a drop-in replacement as possible - with tons of added goodies to keep them. There's simply no reason for any Netware admin today to move to the Linux version of OES, simply because it's different, there's nothing compelling to move to it for (other than Novell can't keep up with hardware support for Netware, which is not a customer's problem) and it's simply a Linux version of something that does what Netware does, except arguably worse in his eyes with nothing extra. Many organisations are simply moving to Windows servers completely to manage their networks.

That's just the point, they are not one product. OES proprietary services sit on top of SLES...

They are one product, and they should both have the same name. It's an OS. Why is the OES stuff proprietary anyway? I thought Novell was an open source company (which causes yet more confusion for people)?

Otherwise you're basically using the analogy that Exchange 2007 should come with Windows Server 2003...

Errrr, no, because one's a mail server and one's an OS.

Have you used OES2 yet? Have you thoroughly tested it to make that conclusion?

We have one big Netware using client, and they've already been making the shift to Windows servers to replace what Netware is doing. Once Netware support goes completely, apart from when it is being run in a VM, then so will Netware - and they won't be moving to OES Linux. It's just too much hassle, and there is little incentive to do it.

I want to be able to run the OES services on new hardware which is becoming more and more difficult on the NetWare path.

You need an awful lot more incentive than the ability to run Netware services on new hardware if you're going to move to something new. If you're moving to new hardware then you might as well just move to Windows, or Red Hat, and that's the view many companies are taking.

I also can't go in to my server room and rip and replace all my NetWare servers with OES2 Linux boxes.

That's about the size of it. That's exactly what Novell should be helping you to do - as painlessly as possible, with lots of goodies to make the whole process worthwhile.

Why? I'm not saying it's a terrible idea, I'm just curious as to what benefit would it be for them?

That sounds just like Novell themselves. The open source company.........that isn't. Because they need to prolong the life of their OS and their services in another operating system, that operating system is open source, and one of the benefits of Novell using Linux and open source software is shared development and Netware services usage increasing.

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