Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Nov 2007 16:46 UTC, submitted by Luis
AMD AnandTech takes a look at AMD's new Phenom. "If you were looking for a changing of the guard today it's just not going to happen. Phenom is, clock for clock, slower than Core 2 and the chips aren't yet yielding well enough to boost clock speeds above what Intel is capable of. While AMD just introduced its first 2.2GHz and 2.3GHz quad-core CPUs today, Intel previewed its first 3.2GHz quad-core chips. We were expecting Intel to retain the high end performance crown, but also expected AMD to chip away at the lower end of the quad-core market - today's launch confirms that Intel is still the king of the quad-core market."
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RE[2]: low yields
by psychicist on Tue 20th Nov 2007 23:12 UTC in reply to "RE: low yields"
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What exactly is the importance for AMD of following Intel into an x86 death match in which it can impossibly ever compete, let alone win? I'd choose for making Intel EMT64 and AMD64 each their own architectures and create optimised OS's for either, at least in the longer term.

I've been working on an OS port to little-endian MIPS because it's free from the shackles of x86 in that it doesn't have to run Windows, is under no pressure to have a clock frequency high enough to make the bloated Vista seem fast and doesn't have any legacy software base to support (it's all free software anyway).

The advantages are streamlined RISC cores with low power consumption, low cost to manufacture since it doesn't have so many transistors and therefore doesn't have to be manufactured in the latest and greatest process, i.e. it can easily be done in 90 nm.

I'm looking forward to ARM (Cortex A9 and OMAP34xx), MIPS (Tilera64 and Loongson 2F/3) and PPC(Pwrficient and AMCC's Titan processors based on Intrinsity's Fast14 technology), because they don't even try to compete with Intel and AMD, but instead try to achieve what we were headed for 10-15 years ago.

That is, low power RISC processors with efficient UNIX implementations, except this time around it's called GNU/Linux. Wintel has set back computing for more than 10 years, but its domination is coming to and end.

The end result is the same software running equally well on all architectures, so you can choose the best one for your needs. If you need raw speed, choose x86 or POWER6. If you need low power (as most consumers do, particularly now that Vista is out) then choose ARM, MIPS, POWER (which is a superset of PPC nowadays) or another efficient one.

People are asking me to completely wipe Windows from their systems or even buy completely new computers with GNU/Linux. Not because they haven't tried but because they're tired after years of dissatisfying computing experiences.

They'd even choose AIX or Solaris on their desktops over Windows, if they had to. So what's the importance of x86 for most people nowadays compared to 10-15 years ago, really?

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Linux 2.6.21.7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 17 04:27:14 CEST 2007 x86_64 AMD Hammer Family processor - Model Unknown AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

Linux 2.6.21.5 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jul 9 23:00:10 CEST 2007 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

Linux 2.6.18.1 #2 Sat May 12 18:57:10 CEST 2007 mips GNU/Linux

I have a SPARC machine too and will have POWER hardware soon. They're all running the same software. Are AMD and Intel as important as they think they are or have they fooled themselves into thinking so and do they live by the grace of Microsoft and Windows?

Edited 2007-11-20 23:28 UTC

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