Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Sep 2005 16:53 UTC
Gnome The Gnome Project released version 2.12 yesterday. We had a quick look at it by using the latest Gnome Live CD (1.12-pre) and Foresight 0.9.0 (2.12 final) and here are our thoughts over 2.12 and Gnome's status in general.
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RE[7]: Menu editor...
by Morty on Fri 9th Sep 2005 12:13 UTC
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I sure would never asks you for a study, given that you know/are biased to the answer before ever starting anything.
Not really a need to do a formal study in this case, I have already seen it by interacting with real users. You should try it too sometime.

No, users in the real world use distros, so the distro has to handle it
Ok, it's clearly broken but the distros fix it so Gnome don't have to. Fair enough. Mandriva and Ubuntu have their own tool In Suse you always have Yast, and I'd guess the rest have a way too.

>The user wants it in the menu
No he doesn't. I am a user and I don't,
Wohoo, Great user survey.

a gnome app exists to overcome this problem, but you want to modify the base platform because that suits you better
The application menu are a centralized place to launch applications from, clearly it's more user friendly to not let the user install application launchers there. And rather force them to install them in other places, since it gives a more consistent desktop and better usability.

The .desktop file is actually simpler to edit with gedit than any GUI.
In that case the GUI is severely broken, as it's should be even simpler than the gedit GUI. Otherwise this statement is simply ridiculous.

What you described is for user only prefs.
I was talking about users, not administrators. Or personal programs or special settings.

creating a menu entry just for one user is NOT the way to go. There's a reason for the standard.
Exactly, and that's the reason the standard has user only prefs. Plenty of real world reasons for it too.

There are Gnome ways to create your own menu or icons to do that, but you refuse the Gnome way
Same as above, wohoo great usability. Why don't you remove the menu altogether since the user should not bother with it. Or perhaps what you call the Gnome way are broken. Besides hiding behind the O'Holy HIG does not make it any more usable, and nowhere in the HIG does it state "thou shall not be able to add or edit entries in thy menu, with a easy to use GUI".

Strangely enough, menu editors muck about with .desktop files
Yes, you have a nice and easy GUI and the application does all the mucking for you, so you as a users don't have to. Thanks for making my point clearer.

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