Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 21st Jan 2008 18:22 UTC
KDE Ars reviews KDE 4.0.0: "KDE 4.0 was officially released last week after extensive development. The long-awaited 4.0 release ushers in a new era for the popular open-source desktop environment and adds many intriguing new features and technologies. Unfortunately, the release comes with almost as many new bugs as it does features, and there is much work to be done before it sparkles like the 3.5.x series." They were also at the KDE 4.0 release event.
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RE[11]: Comments Unfair
by borker on Wed 23rd Jan 2008 03:57 UTC in reply to "RE[10]: Comments Unfair"
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I'm already kicking myself for hitting reply...

Well, if you are quite finished launching personal attacks upon me


Site one. The worst I did was call into question your judgement and portray your public efforts in a negative light. You do of course see the hypocrisy in complaining about that don't you?

Though I'm not sure why you think one should have to be experienced in developing large scale C++ projects to have an opinion


Its more than just language specifics, though of course understanding those is important. Its about introducing a large scale rewrite of very large, publicly developed project to all of the downstream people who need access to it in a stable way. The least numerous but noisiest of these people being the 'DE enthusiasts'.

And unfortunately yes, the specifics of development of this type of project are important and if you don't know enough about them then maybe you should restrain from commenting so voluminously and so vehemntly, especially in the face of repeated correction.

upon whether it is reasonable for a DE project to release a pile of very buggy code, missing large sections of functionality, including, but certainly not limited to, allowing the user to move, hide, or change the size of, the panel, and call it a gold gold release.


Oh heavens, stuck with not being able to change the panel size? How long was it from 2.0 until GNOME could right click on a menu and edit it? Where were the drivers in Vista? In any software project of this scale you will never get immediate feature parity with such a mature, feature complete code base as kde3.5. This is a testament to the progress made in 3.5 not a slight against 4.

The best answer you have given me so far, once the personal attacks have been filtered out, is that if they had called it a developer preview, you would not be able to develop against it because the api would be too unstable. But since they are trying to pawn it off as a gold release, you can. I guess that's just something they teach you in "Developing Large Scale C++ projects 101". It makes no sense to me.


For someone so free with the vitriol when they're dishing it out to others you get remarkably thin skin when a little of it comes back your way.

I'm sorry that that was all you managed to pick up and that it makes no sense to you. Maybe someone else can do a better job of walking you through it, but I honestly think this is a 'lead a horse to water but can't make him drink' case.


I guess I'm just used to OSS projects, even large ones and C++ ones, having some pride in, and concern about, the quality of their gold releases.


again, call into question the professional pride of others, cast dispersions on their character and work. Ok to dish it out but quick to complain when you receive it.

But of course, not being a KDE developer, I'm not entitled to feel that the quality of the release is poor, simply based upon my hands on experience with it.


You are more than welcome to feel any way you like about it, but in light of what has been explained repeatedly about who the .0's intended audience is, when you come out in public, ignore what has been said numerous time and then continuously cast dispersions about the quality of something you don't seem well suited to judge, a perception that is hard not to make reading your posts, then don't be surprised to be called on it.

For it's intended audience, 4.0 is wonderful. Its a delight to develop on and was delivered not a moment to soon. Sorry you don't feel that way, but don't expect a warm reception when you go out trying to rain on others parades.

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