Linked by David Adams on Tue 8th Apr 2008 16:33 UTC
BSD and Darwin derivatives "I am very happy about the direction in which the Mac OS X GUI is going, although sadly many Mac users aren't interested in (or don't know about) the "lower levels" of the Macintosh Operating System. Have you ever wondered why the Terminal greets you with the words "Welcome to Darwin"? Why do BSD and Mac OS share certain bits of code? Why does Wikipedia describe Mac OS X as a graphical operating system? Today we're going to take a look at the underlying open source technology which powers your fancy Leopard OS - the hidden core set of components, named Darwin."
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Moulinneuf
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2005-07-06

Quoting myself : "How do you explain that ? Not asking you at all , I know : You don't , you turn around it and redefine thing to fit your bushit !"

I am not discussing license compatibility.

HOW would they?


Same code is compatible with itself , ever heard of Firefox and GNU/Linux distribution , etc ... , I guess not.

Since when are ATI's drivers open source?


Talking compatibility with Darwin ... Rather if it was Real Open Source the same code would be inside the other BSD kernel.

Since when do the other BSDs use Aqua


They don't , and they could if they had the same code as in Darwin ...

"which, incidentally, isn't available as part of Darwin)? And since when do the other BSDs use Darwin's IOKit driver model?"


But yet your claiming it's Open Source ... Your rather proving my Apple NOT CONTRIBUTING to other BSD point ...

"Again, read up on �€�compatible licensing�€�"


Again , I don't need to read compatible licensing , because I am not talking about license. It's a rather moot point too because the BSD protection clause as no known License incompatibility. But since the code is not real Open Source it's not availaible for inclusion in other BSD.

"look up the driver model of Darwin, which is fundamentally different to that of any of the other BSDs."


That's my point , why is something said Open Source fundamentally different from the code that it originate from ?

"Those applications don't even work on Darwin,"


http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/...

- Microsoft Office 2008 for MAc
- Adobe photoshop element 6

"I don't need to explain it"


Yet I see another reply from you ... Wrote it first this time , one can hope ...

"You're talking largely about Mac OS X"


No , about Darwin witch you claim is entirely availaible and Open Source ...

"which nobody ever claimed was open source"


BSD is Open Source , you claimed Mac OS X was BSD , only you still believed in your nonsense ...

" This entire article concerns Darwin"


Yes.

"which is an Open Source, Free Software"


No , but certified as such by both OSI under OSD and by the FSF under the free Software guidelines.

"operating system"


Hell no !!!

"which contains a subset (go and look that up, as you're clearly unsure what it means) of Mac OS X's capabilities and technologies."


No , but you clearly failed Open Source development 101.

Because under your redefined Open Source definition ,

Darwin ( open Source ) and Darwin ( in Mac OS X ) are two different product , where as if it had been real Open Source both would be the same source code under different branding/name.

"Seriously,"


There is nothing serious about you.

what on earth are you smoking,


I don't smoke anything , nor do I take medication or any drugs of any kind and my sanity is getting checked weekly due to my job.

and can I get some?


Yes , stop taking drugs , reality and concept get easier and simplier to understand. It's called common sense and having some sense.

In real Open Source ( witch is a development method ) there is no closed code or license switching needed or approved , the source is always available , people share the source amongst themself to improve the source. There is no other product , derivative or original.

Novell will share it with Red Hat , who will share it with Debian , who will share it with Novell. Thats why it's called real Open Source.

Debian will share it with BSD , Debian will share it with BEOS , or with Windows or Mac OS X , because it's Open Source.

Apache will run on any OS and share it's code.

Firefox will run on any OS and share it's code.

Yet Darwin don't even share it's source code with the code it originated from or is the same as the one in Mac OS X.

BSD is itself a darwin awards ...

Edited 2008-04-09 00:53 UTC

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