Linked by David Adams on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 16:11 UTC, submitted by elsewhere
KDE "After the recent release KDE 4.1 beta 2 and openSUSE 11 with KDE 4.0.4, some critics have been especially vocal in expressing their displeasure with the KDE 4 user interface paradigms. The debate has grown increasingly caustic as critics and supporters engage in a war of words over the technology. The controversy has escalated to the point where some users are now advocating a fork in order to move forward the old KDE 3.5 UI paradigms. As an observer who has closely studied each new release of KDE 4, I'm convinced that the fork rhetoric is an absurdly unproductive direction for this debate."
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RE: Maybe it does need a fork?
by aseigo on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 22:07 UTC in reply to "Maybe it does need a fork?"
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but I don't see KDE4 competing with KDE3.5 as a professional desktop environment anytime soon.

remember that statement.

it doesn't matter how pretty a panel looks if you can't move the applets it contains. That issue has been mostly fixed now, but it's indicative of the thinking and priorities behind KDE4.

the priorities in this case were: make the low level things work first, then work our way up the stack. your suggested approach would have advocated "apply a hack on top of it now!". not only does this waste effort in the long run, it risks the quality of the codebase signficantly.

moreover, downstreams came up with a patch for that just fine in the meantime, without hobbling upstream development.

so we traded 6 months of no applet moving on the panel for years of solid usage in the future.

i don't like short term thinking.

Maybe the people with the KDE4 'vision' are actually way out of touch with their users?

i probably know more about kde's users than you ever will. not only am i user of kde, but over the years i've met and talked with literally 1000s of them. i've also participated in or digested the results of various studies done with our user base.

But if you think you know better, don't just talk about a fork, hurry up and do it. The OS world is full of armchair programmers who are full of complaints but can't bring themselves to contribute.

describes most of humanity in most endeavors, it seems.

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