Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Sun 21st Sep 2008 06:46 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Linux Greg KH, Linux kernel developer delivered a keynote in the Linux plumbing conference about the health of the ecosystem. His message was essentially that distributions that don't contribute to the ecosystem have to rely on the whims of others which is unhealthy for them. Here is an introduction the development model and some interesting statistics about the Linux kernel code. Update by TH: Rebuttals are appearing all over the web, like this one by Canonical's Matt Zimmerman ("He's refuting a claim which has, quite simply, never been made. [...] When this sort of thing happens on mailing lists, it's called trolling."), or this one by another Canonical employee, Dustin Kirkland.
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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by OddFox on Sun 21st Sep 2008 23:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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At the moment, I am more likely to find documentation and explanations from Gentoo's Bugzilla and forums than I am from Canonical.


Holy unsubstantiated and sensational claim, batman!

For the Novell stuff, if you really can't see why it's disingenuous to not disclose how much you have to gain by smearing another company well maybe you need to revise your sense of business ethics, or even ethics in general.

Additionally, he tries to shift things around by just implying that Canonical is maintaining parts of the desktop infrastructure. Well, I didn't see Canonical coming forwards to help maintain KDE 3.5.x for a LTS release when the KDE developers had said they would support it for as long as people wanted it. I also don't see all that many Canonical addresses on Gnome's mailing lists, nor do I see them having a hand in driving forwards GTK and Gnome 3 and having some vision for it apart from "Let's make it like Mac OS". So, that line of reasoning doesn't work either.


Canonical has no interest in spending what funds they have on maintaining a dead-end project like KDE 3.5.x, or 3.x for that matter. The KDE project is trying to move forward, Canonical and other distributions are respecting that decision and agree with it. Your "investigations" really don't amount to anything when apparently you do your "investigating" by perusing the GNOME mailing list. You take an opportunity to cheap-shot Ubuntu at wanting to be Mac-like (Which it isn't, that's as false as saying KDE wants to be Windows and GNOME wants to be OS X) after deriding the contributions Ubuntu has made to the GTK/GNOME development process.

If you would take the time to analyze the information presented in the articles responding to the presentation (Information that really should not have been omitted from said presentation) you would notice that it's very unrealistic to complain of Canonical not doing more development on core pieces of the system including the kernel. The company is small, the main investor and contributor of funds is Shuttleworth, and you expect it to pump out the same numbers the old-name boys like Red Hat, Novell and IBM can boast? Canonical has never refused to give credit where credit is due, and is trying to do the right thing by getting Linux to more people and making it accessible. This criticism is not constructive at all, it's obvious and in poor taste to point it out as if it's some sort of failing, as if Canonical is being a bad guy. You want them to spend more money on full-time developers doing nothing but working on core parts of the system? I'm sure they would love to do just that if you were to tell them where they could come by this mystical yet-untapped treasure trove of funds.

P.S. -- I really am interested how you are so quick to talk trash about the support services Canonical offers. Did you get one for your own personal desktop? Do you have some huge personal datacenter or server farm that you operate, and you've had experiences with all the major vendors? Somehow I doubt these things. In other words: Where's the beef?

Edited 2008-09-21 23:44 UTC

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