Linked by David Adams on Wed 24th Sep 2008 22:44 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin has said it is time for Solaris to simply move out of the way and yield the future to Linux. 'The future is Linux and Microsoft Windows. It is not Unix or Solaris,' he claims, contending that Sun's strength in long-lifecycle apps is giving way to Linux, as evidenced by the rise of Web apps, where Linux holds a decided advantage, Zemlin claims. With capabilities such as ZFS and DTrace, Sun is trying to compete based on minor features, he says. 'That's literally like noticing the view from a third-story building as it burns to the ground.'
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RE: Offensive
by segedunum on Thu 25th Sep 2008 10:35 UTC in reply to "Offensive"
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I find Zemlin's statements to be offensive and untrue. It is true that Linux is gaining popularity but that doesn't mean that Solaris is dead.

Why? This has been on the cards for years, and it has even been obvious to some of us since the mid-nineties. Sun absolutely steadfastly refused, along with other Unix vendors, to put Solaris on to x86 and commodity hardware, get economies of scale from open source development and allow its usage to sky rocket. Nothing will change that now, and it is too little ten years too late. IBM pushed AIX into a reasonable niche, but even that will get squeezed as the years roll by.

Dismissing ZFS and DTrace as "minor features" just points to his lack of understanding - they are huge.

Lots of people want to think that's true, but it's not. What you need are applications, as Microsoft well knows, and all the open source applications and lots of proprietary ones now are written for Linux and the toolchain used there first.

Application availability is still a major complaint of Linux versus Windows, so I really don't know how Sun will improve that situation for Solaris.

ZFS is far superior to ext3 in almost any way thinkable and features futuristic technology while ext3 is very outdated and basic in comparison.

People do not use operating system because of a filesystem sadly, but Sun has had that attitude for quite a long time now, and it's a bit sad. "How can you not use a real Unix like Solaris! It has [insert new technology here]"

DTrace is a huge help to developers who actually use it. Solaris is also incredibly reliable.

DTrace is moderately nice, but again, I want applications when I choose a system to use. I'm not going to use Solaris because it has something I can use to probe the system when something goes wrong.

Telling us that Solaris is incredibly reliable is the same sad refrain that Sun's consultants have been telling people ever since Linux came on the scene. By what metric? Linux systems have proven themselves to be exceptionally reliable themselves over the years, and saying that to someone now means zilch.

Solaris, BSD and other open-source UNIX-like OSes still have their places.

Well, yes they do, but BSD usage is higher in the open source world than Solaris. Sun has OpenSolaris competing for attention on many fronts, and they have just started. Additionally, an open source community for Solaris is quite essential for Sun now if they want to keep Solaris commercially viable for themselves, but it should have happened ten years ago.

Edited 2008-09-25 10:39 UTC

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