Linked by David Adams on Wed 24th Sep 2008 22:44 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin has said it is time for Solaris to simply move out of the way and yield the future to Linux. 'The future is Linux and Microsoft Windows. It is not Unix or Solaris,' he claims, contending that Sun's strength in long-lifecycle apps is giving way to Linux, as evidenced by the rise of Web apps, where Linux holds a decided advantage, Zemlin claims. With capabilities such as ZFS and DTrace, Sun is trying to compete based on minor features, he says. 'That's literally like noticing the view from a third-story building as it burns to the ground.'
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RE: what about joyrent?
by segedunum on Thu 25th Sep 2008 18:17 UTC in reply to "what about joyrent?"
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What about joyrent? Built on opensolris. Personaly Linux will slowly lose market share in file server market.

They're one drop amongst an ocean of web companies. Having personal experience of Joyent I can say that they're not quite as good as they could be. Their shared BSD virtual servers weren't terribly pleasant to work with, and their move to Solaris hasn't exactly been straightforward.

As a Rails hoster they're fighting a bit of a losing battle. Fact is, the vast majority of Rails core developers code and deploy to Linux systems. Capistrano, amongst other things, basically assumes you will deploy to an average Linux distribution. If you don't at least use a GNU toolchain then you are nobody. Most just end up deserting that kind of set up and go for a dedicated server they have complete control over, and it's more often than not a VPS running Linux on Xen or KVM now where the cost is quite attractive. The ZFS and zones stuff behind the scenes, while cool and useful at times, are not the priorities people put first.

Joyent have just got really excited about all the cool stuff without thinking about the fundamentals, and basically, their use of BSD shared servers that weren't up to the job and the mass rush to Solaris screamed "We will use anything but Linux". They were bitten by a nasty ZFS bug few months back:

http://discuss.joyent.com/viewtopic.php?id=19430

ZFS was, and still is really, not ready and certainly not ready to be used as a cool new thing. While I won't pretend that there haven't been some annoying problems with things like Xen set ups, these have amounted to some reboots of guests.

Oh change one line in passwd file and boom have unix users authenticating with windows clients via ZFS. Why do you think samba is complaining and throwing toys out of the cot.

I don't think you know what Samba actually does.

ZFS tells no lies I discovered that my machine was throwing errors out in ram since its not ECC unless i lowered the speed to improve compatibility in Dual channel mode.

Nice. Is that a problem with your hardware or a problem with the system you're running on? ;-)

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