Linked by David Adams on Wed 24th Sep 2008 22:44 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin has said it is time for Solaris to simply move out of the way and yield the future to Linux. 'The future is Linux and Microsoft Windows. It is not Unix or Solaris,' he claims, contending that Sun's strength in long-lifecycle apps is giving way to Linux, as evidenced by the rise of Web apps, where Linux holds a decided advantage, Zemlin claims. With capabilities such as ZFS and DTrace, Sun is trying to compete based on minor features, he says. 'That's literally like noticing the view from a third-story building as it burns to the ground.'
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Suns biggest problem is that on x86 Linux runs better. On sparc Solaris is king cause they own the platform like Apple. BUT you get stuck. When you want to upgrade to faster hardware its way more cost effective to do it on x86. Also you can shop around and get the best price on x86 not being stuck with one vender. Same with most apps for Linux. Hey Red Hat doesn't give me the value I need then I can go to Suse or Ubuntu if I have a good Linux staff. Makes companies like Red Hat work harder to keep customers happy!


That Linux "works" better than Solaris on x86/x64 is such a myth that at one of my previous gigs, it was blown to smithereens. From a crazy move (for a Financial Exchange in the midwest) to Linux, plagued with ridiculous performance (poor) and manageability issues (Linux is primitive in it's management features), there was an en-masse move to Solaris 10 on Sun's AMD x64 architecture. Guess what, literally replaced thousands of Linux boxes with about half the number of x64 servers (such as Sun's 4600 M2).

Linux SMP stops scaling beyond 8 CPUs (or is it 4). Solaris scales almost linearly (and has for decades). Guess how much of an advantage it is to run a 32-core server at a throw-away price (4600 M2) and use every CPU clock cycle to the fullest? At that gig, we dismantled the Sparc Infrastructure (unless absolutely necessary). Doing so, reduced latency (one huge, distributed trading application running across clusters of such servers) literally by multiples of seconds (in the trading world that translates to millions of dollars).

Ever had to do diagnostics on a Linux system (with poor to no crash-dump analyis tools)? Ever had to implement HBA multipathing? Ever had to configure NIC multipathing? All these are simple and accurately implemented in Solaris.

Ever had to tweak the Shared Memory parameters of a Linux server? Ever had to do it on a Solaris server? If you have you'll know which was easier and a superior OS interface (from the shell).

For us Sysadmins who have to watch 100s of servers 24x7, using an OS such as Linux in the enterprise is not an option. Even from a cost perspective -- I've been in several shops where the operational costs of maintaining Linux was so astronomical that we had to revert back to Solaris/Sun (I'm talking Fortune 50).

For those who think ZFS is not a desktop friendly Filesystem, go check out Mac OS X (Leopard) and it's Time Machine feature (ZFS).

For those who complain about applications being available on Solaris, starting with Desktop Applications (OpenOffice is an offshoot of sun's staroffice initiative) to literally every opensource app out there, everything runs and runs very well on it (except for those which have been poorly ported).

Nowadays, with Sun's lxrun Branded Zones (check out BrandZ and SOlaris 10 Containers/Zones -- free virtualization), you can run linux native binaries inside solaris 10 zones.

I love Linux on the desktop, it's a quaint operating system.

I had posted my comments on the original article on Infoworld and went to check it today and saw all comments had been deleted (talk about censorship).

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