Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Tue 18th Nov 2008 22:07 UTC, submitted by NicolasRoard
Window Managers The new 0.4 version of Etoile had just been released. Etoile intends to be an innovative, GNUstep-based, user environment built from the ground up on highly modular and light components. It is created with project and document orientation in mind, in order to allow users to create their own workflow by reshaping or recombining provided Services (aka Applications) and Components. 0.4 is a developer-targeted release on its way towards this goal. As a developer-focussed release, this predominantly consists of frameworks. A few demonstration applications are also included.
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What Linux distributions ....
by tyrione on Tue 18th Nov 2008 22:53 UTC
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are working in conjunction with Etoile?

I have the trunk and with Debian Sid it's completely broken. Hell, GNUstep is definitely not in a workable state with Debian Sid, let alone Lenny.

ProjectCenter is behind, Gorm is outdated, LLVM is at 2.2 with only a tacit build of 2.3. With LLVM 2.4 now stable and still a major work in progress, I'm still trying to figure out the focus on LLVM first when GNUstep has been languishing and broken in focus for years.

I've read the "we are a frameworks" not a desktop environment rant for 5 years. Either this project grows, stays a niche with promise or dies.

Which one is it going to become?

It's not going to compete against GNOME or KDE and neither of those two prevalent environment gives a rat's ass about offering bindings for ObjC so I can't forsee them jumping for joy over LLVM when it's C++ status finally is usable to the level matching GCC.

I'm now trying to figure out how adding Smalltalk to Etoile is somehow going to improve the visibility and thus allow Cocoa developers become more interested in developing their applications [which helps drive interest] to GNUstep when ObjC2.0 and Cocoa first don't even fully support the Openstep API specification, let alone anywhere near complete support for OS X 10.4 nevermind 10.5. With OS X 10.6 around the corner and a lack of interest in Linux with ObjC I see this remaining a very tiny niche, at best.

I'd like to see it grow, but I'm not seeing any sort of bridge work to add these powerful frameworks into GNOME or KDE, ala Mono did for GNOME--not that I'm saying Mono is a win/win seeing as people either love or hate it.

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