Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Mar 2009 23:02 UTC
With the infamous PWN2OWN contest drawing ever closer, the heat is ramping up. This year's instalment pitches Apple's Safari (on the Mac), Google's Chrome, Internet Explorer 8, and Firefox (all on Windows 7) against one another, while also allowing crackers to take on mobile platforms. Last year's winner, Charlie Miller, who won by cracking Mac OS X within minutes last year, says Safari on the Mac will be the first to fall.
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Who said they weren't testing Safari4? Nobody said otherwise. Nice assumption you have made there (congratulations).
Secondly, the only real objections being made against Vista was UAC (which is no different to policykit in Linux and equally as annoying), the speed (because at the time, most people had integrated graphics cards which couldn't support aero) and the drivers (which isn't Microsoft's fault). The biggest change made in Windows 7 is the perception by the crowd. Whilst every Vista owner agrees there are some nice changes, overall, the difference this time is mainly that people are walking in with a possible attitude. The most vocal people this time seem to be WindowsXP users, not Vista users.
I tend to agree with this articles conclusions though. Leopard server really proved it to me. Mrhasbean, FYI, Apple QA is so bad that nothing in Mac OSX Leopard Server worked properly on the first release. It was in fact less stable, and less usable then early Vista Betas. I am not joking, Apache worked, but everything else had serious problems (and even the Apple Fax modem froze Leopard server). And no, I wasn't the only person who found it to be so. It really showed to me some of Apple's QA skills.
Other things that clearly showed that QA at apple sucks is :
- Airport constantly breaking in 10.4.x. It rarely worked perfectly for anyone
- Network (Finder) constantly breaking entirely in 10.4.x. Never found anyone where it worked well..
- Radius being mostly unusable in early 10.5.x (might be fixed by now)
- A spammer sent us an email once to the sales mailing list. Every 10.5.1 Mail client instantly became unusable. I had to clear the emails off each account on the server manually (in fact, that worries me because some of our clients were running hundreds of Mac's).
- Apple discourages good security practices.. They prefer to pretend as though OSX isn't vulnerable to anything
- Safari isn't really known for its stability..
Safari will die first, but #2 is certainly open for debate. Firefox I believe is moving forward so rapidly, and is becoming so broad-scoped that it has a good chance of breaking soon after Safari.
IE progress is so incredibly slow (and it has been combed over so many times by so many hackers), that I think it will be cracked, but not that quickly honestly. That's not a good thing though. IE8's getting closer to standards compliance, but the difference is the same between a Segway and a Ferrari really. But I must agree some of the new IE8 features do look nice (although, its still not enough for me).
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Who said they weren't testing Safari4? Nobody said otherwise. Nice assumption you have made there (congratulations).
Secondly, the only real objections being made against Vista was UAC (which is no different to policykit in Linux and equally as annoying), the speed (because at the time, most people had integrated graphics cards which couldn't support aero) and the drivers (which isn't Microsoft's fault). The biggest change made in Windows 7 is the perception by the crowd. Whilst every Vista owner agrees there are some nice changes, overall, the difference this time is mainly that people are walking in with a possible attitude. The most vocal people this time seem to be WindowsXP users, not Vista users.
I tend to agree with this articles conclusions though. Leopard server really proved it to me. Mrhasbean, FYI, Apple QA is so bad that nothing in Mac OSX Leopard Server worked properly on the first release. It was in fact less stable, and less usable then early Vista Betas. I am not joking, Apache worked, but everything else had serious problems (and even the Apple Fax modem froze Leopard server). And no, I wasn't the only person who found it to be so. It really showed to me some of Apple's QA skills.
Other things that clearly showed that QA at apple sucks is :
- Airport constantly breaking in 10.4.x. It rarely worked perfectly for anyone
- Network (Finder) constantly breaking entirely in 10.4.x. Never found anyone where it worked well..
- Radius being mostly unusable in early 10.5.x (might be fixed by now)
- A spammer sent us an email once to the sales mailing list. Every 10.5.1 Mail client instantly became unusable. I had to clear the emails off each account on the server manually (in fact, that worries me because some of our clients were running hundreds of Mac's).
- Apple discourages good security practices.. They prefer to pretend as though OSX isn't vulnerable to anything
- Safari isn't really known for its stability..
Safari will die first, but #2 is certainly open for debate. Firefox I believe is moving forward so rapidly, and is becoming so broad-scoped that it has a good chance of breaking soon after Safari.
IE progress is so incredibly slow (and it has been combed over so many times by so many hackers), that I think it will be cracked, but not that quickly honestly. That's not a good thing though. IE8's getting closer to standards compliance, but the difference is the same between a Segway and a Ferrari really. But I must agree some of the new IE8 features do look nice (although, its still not enough for me).