Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Mar 2009 13:51 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Privacy, Security, Encryption Fresh from winning the PWN2OWN contest yesterday, Charlie Miller has been interviewed by ZDNet. He talks about how Mac OS X is a very simple operating system to exploit due to the lack of any form of anti-exploit features. He also explains that the underlying operating system is much more important in creating a successful exploit than the bowser, why Chrome is so hard to hack, and many other things.
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I love these...
by mrhasbean on Sat 21st Mar 2009 00:26 UTC
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...pissing contests. They're hilarious. But instead of splashing acid all over the walls lets look at some FACTS - something many journalists these days do their best to avoid.

- Despite comments by Miller (and I'll get to him in a minute) and people like him OSX has not yet been broken in any meaningful way that didn't involve a user action. Yes users are the weakest link, and some of them are just above green slime on the intelligence meter - although thankfully not many of those ones use Macs ;) (here come the flames!) - but that doesn't change this FACT.

- Microsoft are doing a MUCH MUCH better job at security on Windows than they have previously. XP SP2+ and Vista are quite secure if configured properly. The fact that Microsoft has had to build a lot of this stuff in is testimony to the fact that Windows was HORRIBLE at security for so long. The fundamental foundation of OSX and similar OSes is more secure. Does this mean Apple shouldn't be adding the additional levels of security? Of course not, but see #1 above for the reason why it hasn't had to be a priority for them.

- At no point do Miller or any of these hackers disclose exactly how long it took them to find the exploit then build some code to take advantage of it. Regardless of what spin is put on this by interviews or commentaries the FACT remains that these guys worked on these things for some time, it didn't just happen in a few seconds, minutes or even hours.

- The fact the Chrome performed so well is maybe an indication that Google have the model right - maybe this is a model that needs to extend beyond just web browsers?

- Apple and Microsoft (and others too) currently pay people a LOT of money to look for these exploits - well into six figure incomes in many cases. Miller is out to promote himself and his abilities so that he can sell himself off to the highest bidder - nothing more, nothing less. Yes, he is good at this stuff, but that doesn't make him any less a salesperson just trying to get the most for his service. Unfortunately he has the assistance of at least one "journalist" in this pursuit. Personally (and even Miller said it, sort of) I think that this Nils guy / gal is worth more - exploits for multiple browsers on multiple platforms - very nice work, and I suspect someone will want to pay well for that ability. At least Nils wanted to remain anonymous so its clear he / she isn't JUST in it for the publicity. Unlike some, and the journalists(?) who give them the "air" time...

Edited 2009-03-21 00:30 UTC

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