Linked by Rahul on Tue 28th Apr 2009 14:49 UTC
Fedora Core Fedora 11 Preview Release has been announced with a large number of new features, even more so than previous general releases. This includes Presto (delta RPM updates reducing bandwidth usage over 80% typically), automatic font and mime installer via PackageKit, Nouveau as the default driver for Nvidia cards (3D support is not mature and disabled however), simplified Anaconda text mode installation and minimal installation support, automatic Bug Reporting tool, native access to Microsoft Exchange using OpenChange, Firefox 3.1 and ThunderBird 3.0, Windows Cross Compiler (MinGW and a comprehensive set of cross compiled libraries), Ext4 as the default filesystem, experimental support for the next generation Btrfs filesystem, improved I18N with the switch to IBus input system by default, much improved Kernel Mode Support, many virtualization and security improvements, RPM 4.7, GNOME 2.26, KDE 4.2, Xfce 4.6, Linux Kernel 2.6.29, Python 2.6. GCC 4.4 and several other changes.
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RE[7]: upgrades
by gilboa on Sat 2nd May 2009 03:49 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: upgrades"
gilboa
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But the difference has been so striking that I am surprised that people actually bother to argue for Yum.


While I have zero experience with Ubuntu (Its possible that Ubuntu's popularity means it has far more mirrors than Fedora, which in-turn, help apt take the upper hand), most of the problems you see in yum, I see in apt under Debian: Problematic/slow mirrors.
True, apt does have simultaneous download support, but yum offsets this problem by offering better mirror management.

My Debian experience radically differs than your Ubuntu experience. In 4 years, I've seen apt (I'm using -Sid on a number of embedded systems) crash, fail on broken dependencies and get download files at 2KBps. I've seen it all.
So in -my- experience, Debian's apt is no better yum.

A couple of things to consider:
A. Even if Ubuntu's apt is 4 times faster than Fedora 10's yum, IMO, given the pace in which Fedora releases updates, yum is good enough (tm). As the repository cache is routinely being updated in the background, the actual -user- experience is immediate. (I just conducted a search in F10's "Add/remove packages", and got the results immediately)
B. Yum is getter far more development than apt. I have no idea what's the current status of debdelta in Ubuntu, but as far as I know F11 will be the first major distribution to officially offer delta based downloads.

Never the less, I can't (and won't) argue that F10 is a good production server. Nor do I argue that RHEL/CentOS 5.3 is a good desktop solution, as RHEL 6 is greatly overdue.
I am saying that yum, at least in it's Fedora 10 state, is no longer an issue.

- Gilboa

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